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Holy ****, Somer Blink owns. <3

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Marsan
#41 - 2012-11-13 16:37:44 UTC
There are obvious motives of getting the name out and gathering good will. Also if one thinks about it unless they are engaging in RMT they can't take the isk out of the system the isk spent may be fairly valueless from their perspective.


PS- I'm not ruling out they plan for some sort of betting on Tournaments.

Former forum cheerleader CCP, now just a grumpy small portion of the community.
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#42 - 2012-11-13 16:40:10 UTC
Well done!
luckyccs
That Hole Over There
#43 - 2012-11-13 17:39:21 UTC
big ups to somer. :)
Blastcaps Madullier
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#44 - 2012-11-13 18:49:24 UTC
now if people can stop meta gaming to cheat just to push the Iwin button like the alliance tournaments usualy show, this could actualy be worthwhile watching unlike the alliance tournaments because the open will then come down to char skills and player actual skills :)
so looking forward to seeing the best pvp demonstrated and shown in this :)
Faffywaffy
Fremen Sietch
Evasive Maneuvering.
#45 - 2012-11-13 19:12:54 UTC
Blastcaps Madullier wrote:
now if people can stop meta gaming to cheat just to push the Iwin button like the alliance tournaments usualy show, this could actualy be worthwhile watching unlike the alliance tournaments because the open will then come down to char skills and player actual skills :)
so looking forward to seeing the best pvp demonstrated and shown in this :)


Unfortunately, that's not going to happen.
Everseeker
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#46 - 2012-11-13 19:30:54 UTC
It's a Trap!
General Escobar
State War Academy
Caldari State
#47 - 2012-11-13 20:47:29 UTC
Bravo!!!
Kumq uat
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2012-11-13 21:16:13 UTC
Maybe this time we can afford to fit a tank on our Widow!
Mawderator
ElitistOps
Deepwater Hooligans
#49 - 2012-11-13 22:16:15 UTC
Good advertisement on their part. At least no one has to worry about losing shinies.
CCP Bro
C C P
C C P Alliance
#50 - 2012-11-14 11:33:11 UTC
Faffywaffy wrote:
Blastcaps Madullier wrote:
now if people can stop meta gaming to cheat just to push the Iwin button like the alliance tournaments usualy show, this could actualy be worthwhile watching unlike the alliance tournaments because the open will then come down to char skills and player actual skills :)
so looking forward to seeing the best pvp demonstrated and shown in this :)


Unfortunately, that's not going to happen.

Well each match matters in the double elimination format so match throwing becomes much harder unless you are willing to drop out of the tournament completely. I have a looming feeling that we will see some awesome matches this tournament!

eSports Coordinator for the EVE Universe & Community Specialist
Faffywaffy
Fremen Sietch
Evasive Maneuvering.
#51 - 2012-11-14 12:10:44 UTC
CCP Bro wrote:
Faffywaffy wrote:
Blastcaps Madullier wrote:
now if people can stop meta gaming to cheat just to push the Iwin button like the alliance tournaments usualy show, this could actualy be worthwhile watching unlike the alliance tournaments because the open will then come down to char skills and player actual skills :)
so looking forward to seeing the best pvp demonstrated and shown in this :)


Unfortunately, that's not going to happen.

Well each match matters in the double elimination format so match throwing becomes much harder unless you are willing to drop out of the tournament completely. I have a looming feeling that we will see some awesome matches this tournament!


The (double) elimination format does seem to solve some of the worst metagaming problems, but even if there is no match-throwing (which may still happen, although much less likely, IMO) there's still spying and interfering with practices. Hopefully you will be able to address those issues for the next tournament by giving each team a secure location to practice.
Seldarine
Resolute Supremacy
#52 - 2012-11-14 12:27:17 UTC
Yeh I don't mind the whole spying thing, but when ur testing in a safespot, and spies start probing u, then warping in and actually interfering with ur practising then imo that should be acted on.

As far as im aware, you cannot kill people non consenting on the test server without breaking the test server rules.
CCP Bro
C C P
C C P Alliance
#53 - 2012-11-14 12:59:19 UTC
Faffywaffy wrote:
CCP Bro wrote:
Faffywaffy wrote:
Blastcaps Madullier wrote:
now if people can stop meta gaming to cheat just to push the Iwin button like the alliance tournaments usualy show, this could actualy be worthwhile watching unlike the alliance tournaments because the open will then come down to char skills and player actual skills :)
so looking forward to seeing the best pvp demonstrated and shown in this :)


Unfortunately, that's not going to happen.

Well each match matters in the double elimination format so match throwing becomes much harder unless you are willing to drop out of the tournament completely. I have a looming feeling that we will see some awesome matches this tournament!


The (double) elimination format does seem to solve some of the worst metagaming problems, but even if there is no match-throwing (which may still happen, although much less likely, IMO) there's still spying and interfering with practices. Hopefully you will be able to address those issues for the next tournament by giving each team a secure location to practice.

Looking into ways to allow people to test their setups in a secure environment is absolutely worth looking into for future tournaments (and we are actually discussing ways to do this already).

eSports Coordinator for the EVE Universe & Community Specialist
Seldarine
Resolute Supremacy
#54 - 2012-11-14 13:11:26 UTC
CCP Bro wrote:
Faffywaffy wrote:
CCP Bro wrote:
Faffywaffy wrote:
Blastcaps Madullier wrote:
now if people can stop meta gaming to cheat just to push the Iwin button like the alliance tournaments usualy show, this could actualy be worthwhile watching unlike the alliance tournaments because the open will then come down to char skills and player actual skills :)
so looking forward to seeing the best pvp demonstrated and shown in this :)


Unfortunately, that's not going to happen.

Well each match matters in the double elimination format so match throwing becomes much harder unless you are willing to drop out of the tournament completely. I have a looming feeling that we will see some awesome matches this tournament!


The (double) elimination format does seem to solve some of the worst metagaming problems, but even if there is no match-throwing (which may still happen, although much less likely, IMO) there's still spying and interfering with practices. Hopefully you will be able to address those issues for the next tournament by giving each team a secure location to practice.

Looking into ways to allow people to test their setups in a secure environment is absolutely worth looking into for future tournaments (and we are actually discussing ways to do this already).


Simple, move a team or teams to a seeded station then explode all the stargates :p
CCP Veritas
C C P
C C P Alliance
#55 - 2012-11-14 15:11:50 UTC
Seldarine wrote:
Simple, move a team or teams to a seeded station then explode all the stargates :p

Yeah something like that. Probably not exactly that. We'll see.

CCP Veritas - Technical Director - EVE Online
Del DelVechio
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
#56 - 2012-11-14 16:46:18 UTC
+1 to Somer for ISK and +1 to secure AT testing....
Buhhdust Princess
Mind Games.
Suddenly Spaceships.
#57 - 2012-11-14 16:50:50 UTC
+1 to exploding stargates, i would like to watch.
SpeedY G0nZaleZ
Just a side dish
Outspoken Alliance
#58 - 2012-11-14 17:01:43 UTC  |  Edited by: SpeedY G0nZaleZ
Removing metagaming completely might actually hurt the popularity.

In a crowded eSports community it is sometimes helpful to have something that stands out.

Having secure practice locations is going a bit too far, IMO.

Removing cheating is one thing but if a team wants to do the extra research I don't see the harm.
Seldarine
Resolute Supremacy
#59 - 2012-11-14 17:30:24 UTC
SpeedY G0nZaleZ wrote:
Removing metagaming completely might actually hurt the popularity.

In a crowded eSports community it is sometimes helpful to have something that stands out.

Having secure practice locations is going a bit too far, IMO.

Removing cheating is one thing but if a team wants to do the extra research I don't see the harm.


If you could trust people to just spy it would be fine. But there are always idiots that ruin things for the majority.

For example, people probing down your testing arena then warping in on trainings and jamming everyone. That is not doing research, that is being an *******, and its because of those type of people that teams are wanting secure training.
SpeedY G0nZaleZ
Just a side dish
Outspoken Alliance
#60 - 2012-11-14 17:37:51 UTC
Seldarine wrote:


If you could trust people to just spy it would be fine. But there are always idiots that ruin things for the majority.

For example, people probing down your testing arena then warping in on trainings and jamming everyone. That is not doing research, that is being an *******, and its because of those type of people that teams are wanting secure training.


Is this actually happening? Last year I probed people down and went there to watch them and cloaked. They stopped practicing because of it but I didn't jam anyone.

I mean if we want the best pilots to win and make it a pure skill game why don't we just hold the competitions on SISI. That way we can remove the "metagame" of ISK from the equation. This is a serious suggestion and would make 10k an extremely attractive prize pool if you remove the in-game costs.