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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#201 - 2012-11-14 14:12:49 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:


yea, you're reading all of that wrong. EVE has lots of things to do, that doesn't mean it's not what it is and has always been, which is basically a game about space-murder (and/or buliding things that help people space-murder others).

This is what i don't get about folks like you. It was obvious to me what EVE was before I D/L'd it, how is it not obviouls to you, unless your very good at seeing only things you want to see.


This is a very ignorant thing to say - the meaning of a message is not determined by one's ability to read it. I'm reading it just fine, thank you, and I strongly recommend you read some of Shannon & Weaver's work on communications, specifically The Mathematical Theory of Communication (1948) that outlined how a message goes from sender - transmitter - receiver.

I'm reading it just fine, thank you very much, but you are ignoring the fact that this game is about whatever the hell any given player interprets it to be about. For me, it's a game about exploring mysteries. I may have to kill a few people along the way, but it's not about that for me at all. If you think it should be, then that's your problem, and yours alone. Don't be so pithy as to visit how I choose to interpret a sandbox - that is so extraordinarily elitist and arrogant.

Perhaps if you were less ignorant of "folks like me" you'd actually start to get it.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#202 - 2012-11-14 14:23:16 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:


yea, you're reading all of that wrong. EVE has lots of things to do, that doesn't mean it's not what it is and has always been, which is basically a game about space-murder (and/or buliding things that help people space-murder others).

This is what i don't get about folks like you. It was obvious to me what EVE was before I D/L'd it, how is it not obviouls to you, unless your very good at seeing only things you want to see.


This is a very ignorant thing to say - the meaning of a message is not determined by one's ability to read it. I'm reading it just fine, thank you, and I strongly recommend you read some of Shannon & Weaver's work on communications, specifically The Mathematical Theory of Communication (1948) that outlined how a message goes from sender - transmitter - receiver.

I'm reading it just fine, thank you very much, but you are ignoring the fact that this game is about whatever the hell any given player interprets it to be about. For me, it's a game about exploring mysteries. I may have to kill a few people along the way, but it's not about that for me at all. If you think it should be, then that's your problem, and yours alone. Don't be so pithy as to visit how I choose to interpret a sandbox - that is so extraordinarily elitist and arrogant.

Perhaps if you were less ignorant of "folks like me" you'd actually start to get it.


I'm not ignoring any "fact", I'm telling you you're wrong.

EVE is based on something, that something is an objective truth and is simple to understand. That you refuse to understand doesn't change anything.

Exploring mysteries? What mystery will you explore? Or are you talking about actual in-game exploration, that part of the game where you use "probes" to find "sites" where you get "loot" that is usually something you sell on the market that others will use to KILL others (or keep from getting killed)?

Notice a theme there?

Just like the foray you took into low sec where you got killed is an example of the flaw in your "thinking", so is this post i'm replying to. you don't even understand the base reality of a video game your playing, but rather than try to get it, you spend time basically defending your own ignorance.

You'll go far in your EVE life.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#203 - 2012-11-14 14:32:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Jenn aSide wrote:

I'm not ignoring any "fact", I'm telling you you're wrong.


But I'm not wrong. You can tell me I'm wrong all you like, but frankly, you don't seem like much of an authority on the topic, so it won't mean crap to me. It's just all "tell tell tell" and no "listen" with you, isn't it?

Jenn aSide wrote:
EVE is based on something, that something is an objective truth and is simple to understand. That you refuse to understand doesn't change anything.

I understand what it's about for you - it seems to contain a lot of lore, though, so what it's based on is irrelevant, because what it's about for me has nothing to do with chasing fights with other players. When those fights come to me, I'll fight them, but right now, I'm just not interested in that.

Jenn aSide wrote:
Exploring mysteries? What mystery will you explore? Or are you talking about actual in-game exploration, that part of the game where you use "probes" to find "sites" where you get "loot" that is usually something you sell on the market that others will use to KILL others (or keep from getting killed)?


Other people are fighting, yes, and that's what the game is about for them. Frankly, I don't care what they use the stuff I sell for, that's their prerogative.

Jenn aSide wrote:
Notice a theme there?


Yep. "OH NOES!!! The game has to be about THIS and only THIS and if it's not about THIS for you then you are wrong and don't know anything, and even though I haven't presented any decent evidence to support these FACTS they are FACTS nonetheless". The theme so far is that you're starting to sound like a carebear yourself

Jenn aSide wrote:
Just like the foray you took into low sec where you got killed is an example of the flaw in your "thinking", so is this post i'm replying to. you don't even understand the base reality of a video game your playing, but rather than try to get it, you spend time basically defending your own ignorance.


The only flaw in my thinking was thinking that you might be capable of understanding if I explained - apparently, though, you continue to ignore the DEMONSTRABLE fact that people are doing things all the time in EVE that don't require any sort of PvP combat. For them, the game is something else then it is for you. Don't like it? Fine. But you can't make up facts. What have I been ignorant about exactly? I'm not defending anything. I went into lowsec to do some missions, not to do PvP - it was forced on me, and I fought, but I lost. Then, I moved back to high sec and got on with it.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#204 - 2012-11-14 14:33:04 UTC

Jenn aSide wrote:
You'll go far in your EVE life.


You have no idea.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#205 - 2012-11-14 15:14:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Some Rando
Auric Veldfinger wrote:
This is of course going to be replied to by the athletic millionaire playboys of eve LOL. I mean sure, I suppose it is gratifying to have made it to big fish in the little internet pond, and whine about the other fishes being too averse or lazy if they want to swim in the pond as well.

Your entire post proves my point that there is no barrier to entry into PvP in EVE. It's all in your head, and if you want it you will get over your hang-up and if you don't you won't, just like everything else in life.

CCP has no sense of humour.
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#206 - 2012-11-14 15:15:18 UTC
Actually that EVE ad linked doesn't make the game look any different from Star Trek Online. If not for people talking around, you'd never know that it plays differently. Add here the fact that MMO games where your character should watch your back at least as much as IRL while moving around are almost unexistant and unknown nowdays (people did forgot Ultima, permadeath MUDs amd the like, try to ask around and you'll see). So it's no wonder for me that a lot of people come to EVE and it's surprise for them that there is no bluewalling and the like.

Overall I'd say that people at most seem to be fine with whatever the hell you are as long as you don't live under some random assumptions on what's right and what's wrong applied to everyone around and understand that you aren't playing alone since it's damn MMO.

On a side note, most people in game itself don't give a damn about forum wars on carebearing. Does it really matter if someone derps around hisec, though well aware of one's surroundings?

Future of T3 cruisers - multi-tool they aspired to be instead of sledgehammer they have become
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#207 - 2012-11-14 15:23:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Some Rando wrote:
Auric Veldfinger wrote:
This is of course going to be replied to by the athletic millionaire playboys of eve LOL. I mean sure, I suppose it is gratifying to have made it to big fish in the little internet pond, and whine about the other fishes being too averse or lazy if they want to swim in the pond as well.

Your entire post proves my point that there is no barrier to entry into PvP in EVE. It's all in your head, and if you want it you will get over your hang-up and if you don't you won't, just like everything else in life.


I can agree with this, but to a large extent, the behaviour of other players can and will affect what is in other players' heads.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#208 - 2012-11-14 15:38:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Barrogh Habalu
On ongoing discussion of "getting into PvP" (wanted to edit previous post, but discussion continued, so yeah).

RvB accept young toons and it's not like there's nothing to see, quite the contrary. I think I didn't even have to mention it, you know it.

EVE Uni, despite being known as carebear corp on these boards, have low-sec division that is basically almost like it's entirely different corp, and they offer damn lot in terms of PvP, from small ragtag gang roams to huge "let's kill stuff" events led by folks from Agony, PL and many others. The only thing about them that some could dislike is NRDS while in low (they have to preserve sec status to move easier in high), but in null still everything goes (NBSI). In addition, a lot of PvP corps, some Null alliances and WH dwellers don't ming recruiting from there, and "former resident of UniLow sec camp" is a thing that will score you bonus points for them if you apply.

Heck, even serious sov holders invite people with day 1 toons as long as they know the person, be it from RL or internet community.

In many cases, you don't even have to fund low-cost PvP, corp resources and insurance actually can make you some ISK (not much, but who cares). If you don't mind some grinding (and do that half-decently), you can normally fly BCs like nobody's business anyways.

So, if you really want to fly with guys that make stuff go boom, it's not a problem. If you don't, that's another story, just remember that it's mostly not lack of KB that make certain group of people dislike you, it's attitude. Or that's how it looks for me, at least.

Future of T3 cruisers - multi-tool they aspired to be instead of sledgehammer they have become
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#209 - 2012-11-14 15:48:15 UTC
Barrogh Habalu wrote:
On ongoing discussion of "getting into PvP" (wanted to edit previous post, but discussion continued, so yeah).

RvB accept young toons and it's not like there's nothing to see, quite the contrary. I think I didn't even have to mention it, you know it.

EVE Uni, despite being known as carebear corp on these boards, have low-sec division that is basically almost like it's entirely different corp, and they offer damn lot in terms of PvP, from small ragtag gang roams to huge "let's kill stuff" events led by folks from Agony, PL and many others. The only thing about them that some could dislike is NRDS while in low (they have to preserve sec status to move easier in high), but in null still everything goes (NBSI). In addition, a lot of PvP corps, some Null alliances and WH dwellers don't ming recruiting from there, and "former resident of UniLow sec camp" is a thing that will score you bonus points for them if you apply.

Heck, even serious sov holders invite people with day 1 toons as long as they know the person, be it from RL or internet community.

In many cases, you don't even have to fund low-cost PvP, corp resources and insurance actually can make you some ISK (not much, but who cares). If you don't mind some grinding (and do that half-decently), you can normally fly BCs like nobody's business anyways.

So, if you really want to fly with guys that make stuff go boom, it's not a problem. If you don't, that's another story, just remember that it's mostly not lack of KB that make certain group of people dislike you, it's attitude. Or that's how it looks for me, at least.


Agreed, attitude seems to be the central theme for the problems that people have with each other.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#210 - 2012-11-14 15:51:51 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
What have I been ignorant about exactly?


Everyting. It's common in too many new players, they come in seeing what they want to, rather than what's there, then when the game proves to them they are wrong they actualyl feel like something has changed lol.

You're demonstrating that you don't understand (or accept) what EVE really is at it's core. it's not different things to different people, it's one thing that people play differently (though I doubt you can understand the diferance).


Quote:

I'm not defending anything. I went into lowsec to do some missions, not to do PvP - it was forced on me, and I fought, but I lost. Then, I moved back to high sec and got on with it.


Which means your not really cut out for life in EVE. If losing a space ship made of pixels (and rust if it was minmater) can deter you from doing things in non-high sec, you have bigger personal problems than EVE lol. That and the fact that you basically talk about how mean people are

The bad thing to me is that High Sec provides a haven for people like you, but the game needs a stable trading zone so I guess it can't be helped.

We hear it over and over and over again on these forums: (Paraphrasing the insanity)

"null sec is the way it is because null sec people are mean"

"How can null sec people say they want more people in null when they camp the gates into null"

"Why can't the vets be nicer to noobs so the noobs will stay in the game"

"Small groups and solo players can't get into null because of the power blocks (ie I don't want to rent or make friends, i want to do it my way only rather than bend my will to accept reality thus EVE is bad)"

ect ect ect

All of these are just dodges for personal failings in a video game. If you want to do something in EVe, do it, but be prepared to fight for the right to do it. Want to go to null sec, don't wait for "vets" to be nice about it,grow some (in game, avatar based) balls, KICK THE DOOR DOWN and be the master of your own universe.

But don't blame anyone else when the game demonstrates to you how brilliant you are for flying an EXECUQOR into lowsec in the 1st place...
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#211 - 2012-11-14 16:09:21 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
What have I been ignorant about exactly?


Everyting. It's common in too many new players, they come in seeing what they want to, rather than what's there, then when the game proves to them they are wrong they actualyl feel like something has changed lol.

You're demonstrating that you don't understand (or accept) what EVE really is at it's core. it's not different things to different people, it's one thing that people play differently (though I doubt you can understand the diferance).


More ignorance. You have to be more specific about what it is I'm supposedly ignorant about. I've been quite specific about what you've been ignorant about - your ignorance of how other people perceive the messages they are receiving. Though I can understand why you might be struggling now - while you "doubt [I] can understand the diferance[sic]", I doubt you can spell difference.[quote]

Jenn aSide wrote:
Which means your not really cut out for life in EVE. If losing a space ship made of pixels (and rust if it was minmater) can deter you from doing things in non-high sec, you have bigger personal problems than EVE lol. That and the fact that you basically talk about how mean people are


Do you even listen to yourself? Do you not notice how you just contradicted yourself? How can one not be cut out for a computer game? Perhaps your "life on EVE" has distracted you too much from reality - you're very disconnected from it. I'm cut out for whatever the **** game I wanna play, and you and your opinion to the contrary mean absolutely nothing to me. I haven't ONCE complained about how "mean" people are, to me or to anyone else - pointing out an observation is not complaining. When you've established the VERY CLEAR distinction between pointing out an observation and complaining, then I might consider you at an intellectual level worth more of my attention. Until that happens, however, you aren't worth the attention I would give scraping dog crap off the soles of my shoes.

You seem to be of the opinion that people have to play the game the way you want them to - this is elitism. It's arrogant. You expect things from players that NOTHING in or about the game requires of them. I, personally, don't care about people complaining on the forums, I have never complained about nul players or mean people, I have never complained about gate campers, I have never complained about 'vets' not being nice to noobs - I haven't done ANY of the things you listed, I have merely stated observations.

Like, for example, if I was to see a car do a burnout on the street, I might say, "that guy just did a massive burnout." Now, here's a simple test for you - by saying that, am I complaining about that guy doing a burnout, or stating an observation?

Everything you have had to say to me, personally, on the topic so far is either strawman, ad hominem, or completely ignorant of the points I've made. I get your points - you think everyone needs to pew pew. That's cool. You can go do your elitism thing somewhere else - I have honestly picked things more precious from between my toes than you. Some advice, though, before I commence ignoring you outright:

1. Learn to spell
2. Stop being a total ****
3. You have a brain. Start using it.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#212 - 2012-11-14 16:24:17 UTC
You fail repeatedly and in humorus fashion Remiel Pollard, I won't bother to reply to most of it as it's not worthy of my divine attention (and it is divine attention CCP told me I was a Fictional God of Imaginary Space).

But this part is to good to ignore.

Remiel Pollard wrote:


You seem to be of the opinion that people have to play the game the way you want them to - this is elitism. It's arrogant. You expect things from players that NOTHING in or about the game requires of them.


While i am rather Elite, what I am saying to you is not elitism, it is reality, the reality of EVE. I care not how anyone plays (i only care about how you DIE (in game) lol, i think I just found my catch phrase), i only suggest to people that no matter there "play style" they either come to grips with the basic reality of EVE online or STFU and leave.

But people like you choose option 3 (come to the forums and complain illogically).

Quote:

I, personally, don't care about people complaining on the forums, I have never complained about nul players or mean people, I have never complained about gate campers, I have never complained about 'vets' not being nice to noobs - I haven't done ANY of the things you listed, I have merely stated observations.


And your lying lol. In this very thread you've said vets should be nicer to noobs. That demonstrates an attitude not suited for this cutthroat game called EVE, which makes you no different from the people in this forum who complain about bumpers or AFK cloakers, neither of which is actually killing anything (but isk making lol).

Quote:

Like, for example, if I was to see a car do a burnout on the street, I might say, "that guy just did a massive burnout." Now, here's a simple test for you - by saying that, am I complaining about that guy doing a burnout, or stating an observation?

Everything you have had to say to me, personally, on the topic so far is either strawman, ad hominem, or completely ignorant of the points I've made. I get your points - you think everyone needs to pew pew. That's cool. You can go do your elitism thing somewhere else - I have honestly picked things more precious from between my toes than you. Some advice, though, before I commence ignoring you outright:[/quote

I do love when someone says "I get your point" then goes on to miss the point. I don't care who pew pews or not. I'm saying accept reality.

you do realize that your accusation of "elitism" is just another dodge. Your way of making ME the bad guy rather than doing the soul-searching necessary to understand what's wrong with how you think.

It's ok, I'm used to people like you lol

[quote]
1. Learn to spell
2. Stop being a total ****
3. You have a brain. Start using it.


Ah, did I make the little Execuqor pilot cry?

Eve-Mission accomplished
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#213 - 2012-11-14 16:38:51 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:


I think you missed some of their advertising, to be honest.

Here's some more you missed.

I don't know about you.... but it doesn't look all that cold, harsh, or dark or even PVP-centric from those advertising perspectives. Maybe you're seeing something I'm not.... or something that just isn't there.


I have always hated that first link as I want to pick multiple things but cant.

Anyway this is a good example of advertising what EVE is like.

Emperion age is even better at giving the impression of a dark, harsh, cold and pvp centric nightmare.


Anyone who says EVE is not a dark, cold and harsh pvp focused game is simply lying.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#214 - 2012-11-14 16:42:32 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:


I think you missed some of their advertising, to be honest.

Here's some more you missed.

I don't know about you.... but it doesn't look all that cold, harsh, or dark or even PVP-centric from those advertising perspectives. Maybe you're seeing something I'm not.... or something that just isn't there.


I have always hated that first link as I want to pick multiple things but cant.

Anyway this is a good example of advertising what EVE is like.

Emperion age is even better at giving the impression of a dark, harsh, cold and pvp centric nightmare.


Anyone who says EVE is not a dark, cold and harsh pvp focused game is simply lying.


I get that it can be. But it doesn't have to be. It hasn't been for me yet.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#215 - 2012-11-14 16:45:04 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:


I get that it can be. But it doesn't have to be. It hasn't been for me yet.


I can assure you, you have had a hand in many many deaths.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#216 - 2012-11-14 16:49:15 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:


I get that it can be. But it doesn't have to be. It hasn't been for me yet.


I can assure you, you have had a hand in many many deaths.


I'm sure I have. But each player's individual perceptions of any given game are the only perceptions that are going to matter to them - my perception of other players engaging in combat is - cool, have at it, I don't care. Should they decide to engage me, I'll fight, again. I'll never expect to win. I'll never complain about it. As it has been mentioned, it's just a game, so with that in mind, even when I'm immersed in the "dark and shadowy" elements, it's really not that dark and shadowy to me at all.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#217 - 2012-11-14 16:54:27 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:


I'm sure I have. But each player's individual perceptions of any given game are the only perceptions that are going to matter to them - my perception of other players engaging in combat is - cool, have at it, I don't care. Should they decide to engage me, I'll fight, again. I'll never expect to win. I'll never complain about it. As it has been mentioned, it's just a game, so with that in mind, even when I'm immersed in the "dark and shadowy" elements, it's really not that dark and shadowy to me at all.


Indeed.

The problem with bears unfortunatly is that they dont think the nasty bits of EVE should apply to them. You arnt a bear because you get it and won't try to change the game.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#218 - 2012-11-14 17:02:40 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:


I'm sure I have. But each player's individual perceptions of any given game are the only perceptions that are going to matter to them - my perception of other players engaging in combat is - cool, have at it, I don't care. Should they decide to engage me, I'll fight, again. I'll never expect to win. I'll never complain about it. As it has been mentioned, it's just a game, so with that in mind, even when I'm immersed in the "dark and shadowy" elements, it's really not that dark and shadowy to me at all.


Indeed.

The problem with bears unfortunatly is that they dont think the nasty bits of EVE should apply to them. You arnt a bear because you get it and won't try to change the game.


I do get it, contrary to the opinions of certain neurotic trolls slinking about, but at the same time, I don't care about people complaining, either. I have no beef with them. I don't care what their personal problems are, and I don't care how the game is changed. I will always adapt to the changes.

People who complain about the game being changed to suit the "carebears" are just as guilty of complaining about carebears as carebears are of complaining about the game.

Here's a possible definition: A carebear is a whiner. I like that one - it covers all the bases. I won't and don't use the term myself, but in that context it makes a lot of sense. I have absolutely' nothing to whine about myself. Bring it on, I say - I just fitted my first PvP ship which I'm deploying to my corp's wormhole next week when I hit 15mil SP - a Cruor. Love that thing, I had to squee a little when I fired the lasers for the first time Lol

I leave game development decisions to the game developers, tbh. Sure, there are things I might have done differently, but I've got more important things to worry about in my real life than why I can't have a capital ship in high sec, so I don't really care. All I wanted with this thread was to find out essentially who, or what, the term carebear applied.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#219 - 2012-11-14 17:58:01 UTC
Last time I respond to you.

Jenn aSide wrote:
You fail repeatedly and in humorus fashion Remiel Pollard, I won't bother to reply to most of it as it's not worthy of my divine attention (and it is divine attention CCP told me I was a Fictional God of Imaginary Space).


This is great - you are delusional enough to take the god thing seriously? Explains a lot


Jenn aSide wrote:
While i am rather Elite


Say that in a mirror, will you? Oh, look at me, I'm elite.

FYI, EVE isn't reality. It's a game. Remember the pixels you told me about?


Jenn aSide wrote:
But people like you choose option 3 (come to the forums and complain illogically).


pay attention moron - for the last time, where was I complaining? Nowhere


Jenn aSide wrote:
And your lying lol. In this very thread you've said vets should be nicer to noobs. That demonstrates an attitude not suited for this cutthroat game called EVE, which makes you no different from the people in this forum who complain about bumpers or AFK cloakers, neither of which is actually killing anything (but isk making lol).


No, I'm not lying, you're just a moron who can't tell the difference between pointing out an observation and complaining - such as the observation that players that treat other players like crap will get complained about, and the players being treated like crap will probably not enjoy their experience of the game. I'm loving my experience of the game, I have nothing to complain about. I'm not complaining about mean people, because I don't give half a **** about them, or you, or anyone.


Jenn aSide wrote:
I do love when someone says "I get your point" then goes on to miss the point. I don't care who pew pews or not. I'm saying accept reality.


EVE's REAL MAN!!! I WAS THERE!!!

Seriously, get a life, go find out what reality is

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#220 - 2012-11-14 17:58:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Jenn aSide wrote:
you do realize that your accusation of "elitism" is just another dodge. Your way of making ME the bad guy rather than doing the soul-searching necessary to understand what's wrong with how you think.


You're an idiot. You're not a bad guy, you're just an egocentric self-absorbed idiot. I'm used to people like you, too. Fortunately, you're in a minority.


Jenn aSide wrote:
Ah, did I make the little Execuqor pilot cry?


That was three months ago. Come to Halle and I'll show my new toys. Also, it's an Exequror.

Jenn aSide wrote:
Eve-Mission accomplished


That was a mission? Boy you sure know how to set the bar low.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104