EVE General Discussion

I know FW removes ISK but I though you were on the "PLEX now cost 600M bandwagon", where FW had a role, isk sink or not.




What did you expect? They reduced minerals faucets and had to replace them with another faucet. The latter is still bad but not as bad as the minerals faucet was.

Uh huh. So I talked about monetary inflation being a problem, and you start talking about prices increasing due to FW exploiting, and now you're trying to pin FW to plexes? FW, which was put into production in may? Despite the fact the mining barges were released in august, and the plex price went from flatline to pegging at just around 580-600m isk in less than a month.

Is this going to be just another one of your "the traffic of people moving around between null and hisec is minimally covered by JFs" style comments?



Huh. So we went from me pointing out the fact EVE has a monetary inflation problem (which it does, since isk faucets vastly outpace isk sinks, even including bans), to you responding incorrectly about price inflation, to me pointing out that your waffling about price inflation wasn't due to FW exploiting but due to CCP ******* around massively with the economy itself like removing drone regions etc.

Where are you going to take this discussion next? Resource inflation?

Given the source, this is very funny.

Ahhhh. So all this mumbling and gnashing and contrived writing comes from you relating it to the mining barges patch (THE HORROR!)?



First of all you have to prove that we still have a rising inflation. Considering tons of materials during summer dropped exactly to the price they had 1 year ago and PLEXes started ranging what's the sign of a still rampaging inflation? There's some price increase off Aug / Sept but that's the regular trend that ceils at Christmas.

I'm going to hope, for your own sake, that you're just being willfully dumb at this point.


Per day in febuary:
ISK Faucets:
- Bounty Awards: 1,106,321,000,000 (1.106 Trillion ISK)
- Sleeper Loot: 359,655,000,000 (359 Billion ISK)
- Incursion Payouts: 295,479,000,000 (295 Billion ISK)
- Mission Awards/Bonuses: 166,111,000,000 (166 Billion ISK)
- Insurance Awards to Players: 116,084,000,000 (116 Billion ISK)
Total sum of all daily ISK faucets: 1,962,000,000,000 or approx. 1.962 Trillion ISK.

ISK Sinks:
- Skillbook Purchases: 237,931,000,000 (237 Billion ISK)
- Loyalty Store ISK Payments: 218,330,000,000 (218 Billion ISK)
- BPO Purchases: 162,068,000,000 (162 Billion ISK)
- Market Broker Fees: 89,900,000,000 (90 Billion ISK)
- Market Transaction Taxes: 81,900,000,000 (82 Billion ISK)
- Insurance Purchases: 67,500,000,000 (67 Billion ISK)
- Clone Upgrades/Replacements: 31,400,000,000 (31 Billion ISK)
- Alliance Sovereignty Upkeep: 27,900,000,000 (28 Billion ISK)
- Planetary Export/Import Fees: 25,580,000,000 (25.5 Billion ISK)
- Planetary Construction: 21,650,000,000 (21.6 Billion ISK)
- Office Rental Fees: 16,850,000,000 (16.8 Billion ISK)
- Contract Broker Fees: 10,400,000,000 (10.4 Billion ISK)
- NPC Repair Services: 10,100,000,000 (10.1 Billion ISK)
- War Declaration Fees: 5,150,000,000 (5.15 Billion ISK)
- Remainder: 7,251,000,000 (7.25 Billion ISK)
Total sum of all daily ISK sinks: 992,600,000,000 or approx. 0.992 Trillion ISK.

That means there's a surplus of nearly 1 trillion isk being generated. Per day. What would you call that?


Again with the talk of price inflation. It's almost as if I'm not saying the words "monetary inflation". vOv


And in EVE you can go whereever you want. You might get shot for it, but you can go anywhere you want.

PS: EVE isn't real life.


Actually, you did. You basically ditched everything except basically removing refining of various modules and adding what would be a super annoying tax every time you happen to have anything over raw material in your hold, just because you want to kill off Jita.

Funny how I used the same argument on the space barbie freaks, where I rebuked against their deviant desires for a a useless quick and dirty social emote chat platform instead of meaningful content.
Not against re-design but just tell me why highsec can't bear a little nerf for the time being?

Because imo the nerfs should come contextually or after a rejuvenating game review, not before.

They'd be just a piece or even a consequence of the game review. EvE needs to grow less stale and the stale-ness is not just in null sec. Look at what's been done this year. Retexturing and rebalancing entry level ships is a good thing but it's a minor, minor money maker for CCP.
This is one of the least anticipated patches since I play, so few dev blogs ("hey look, frigate XYZ is getting one launcher and 3 PG WOWOWOWOWOW!!!!") for content that is just adjustments, for the first time in years there's not a consistent players increase for a patch.

PLEXes are the thing which is directly linked to how much one month is worth. The more money is in the economy, the more money is needed to pay for one PLEX. The mining barge buff created an elevated need for PLEXes, and it, combined with all the other things which have happened in and around the economy, have all combined to give PLEXes a price inflation. This does not detract from the fact that an increasing amount of players have more and more money to spend, as is evidenced by the ever increasing sizes of fleets, the ever carelessness with which whole cap fleets are thrown around etc. 3-4 years ago whole capfleets being destroyed were disastrous, today people shrug it off and move on. 3-4 years ago losing a titan or a supercarrier was devastating, today it's "eh, already replaced".


And "the traffic of people moving around between null and hisec is minimally covered by JFs".


Pretty certain there's been absolutely no nerfs the past 5 years which have been similar to what I've proposed, except for CCP's .5% increase of market taxes which was completely and utterly ignored by the playerbase as a whole, and each and every change I've proposed have had a few very specific goals in mind. There's no change proposed just for the sake of proposing a change.

Ummm no it's not.

When you remove a feature you're removing the player's ability to do something from the game, no matter how small. It is fairly simple (if boring) to sit there and map out which of those actions the action you are removing effects and then judge what efffects that has on all the other actions.

Example: Removing drone loot. CCP can see what the alloys were used for, they can see how players were using them and then see what that was effecting (e.g. mineral prices and therefore ship prices). So you know that by removing a feature (in this case alloys) it will indirectly effect ship prices.

When you're adding a NEW feature to the game it is a totally new mechanic so there is no way to predict how players are going to react to it, how the mechanic will be abused etc.

Example: The last FW iteration before the current one. Did CCP know players were going to run plexes in frigates with no guns and work together to fix market prices and make tons of isk from it? No, because if they did they wouldn't have put it in like that. The result is that the effects of a broken FW system linger on well after it's been fixed.

Out of the two options removing something gives far more predictable results then putting something new in.

As someone who works in risk management let me tell you if you have a better chance of predicting what will happen something is less risky.

That doesn't mean it's the right thing to do all the time, however it's certainly NOT more risky to remove then to add.

Personally, I've just categorized that in the same category as his whole "the traffic of people moving around between null and hisec is minimally covered by JFs" comment. vOv