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Customer Support lifting previous restrictions regarding war decs

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Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#221 - 2011-10-19 18:32:22 UTC
ShipToaster wrote:
Vewen Sinulf wrote:
Standard carebear stuff

You so have to be an eve university alt.

Alt decrying alt's posting habits...

Lol

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#222 - 2011-10-19 21:31:43 UTC
Norrin Ellis wrote:
Khanh'rhh wrote:

Because "defending" yourself by voting yourselves in and out of an alliance and using glitches in the game code is just ridiculous.

How about you defend it using, I don't know, ships?


The current Pay to Grief™ system is not an incentive to declare war against people who can defend with, you know, ships. Pick targets that can legitimately fight back, and perhaps they will. Pick targets that are easy prey, and they'll use the cheapest, easiest means at their disposal to be rid of you.


Sounds to me like they shouldn't have hung up a loot pinata with no ability to defend it.

You aren't meant to be able to get the rewards, without the risk. If you can't / won't defend yourselves you deserve to lose. That's what PVP is meant to be, not a "oh gosh, lets let them take part and go easy"

**** your ****, man.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Djavo
Tradors'R'us
IChooseYou Alliance
#223 - 2011-10-19 21:58:18 UTC
Poo sticks, ship spinning that doesn't work and a stupid update to this chunky pile of grass loving, spider spitting, chesty cough mixture rollocks.

All in all, less awesome than cheese on toast, which let me tell you is far superior than ants covered in honey.
isk4trade
Cogitation Mining and Industrial Trading
#224 - 2011-10-20 04:40:09 UTC
Iam Kikas wrote:
Well, based upon the current calendar of events leading to this point now, we can expect resolution in 2014? Will be interesting to see if the slow death that Eve has been experiencing in the past year will be complete by then.


Oh yes ... The HORRENDOUS decilne of average players online per day is very evident here in the "Past Year" chart here ... http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility ...

NOT !

me

P.S. - The sky is falling! ... The sky is falling!
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#225 - 2011-10-20 05:00:43 UTC
isk4trade wrote:
Iam Kikas wrote:
Well, based upon the current calendar of events leading to this point now, we can expect resolution in 2014? Will be interesting to see if the slow death that Eve has been experiencing in the past year will be complete by then.


Oh yes ... The HORRENDOUS decilne of average players online per day is very evident here in the "Past Year" chart here ... http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility ...

NOT !

You may be reading the chart incorrectly. From left to right on the X axis, it is most recent data to oldest data.
isk4trade
Cogitation Mining and Industrial Trading
#226 - 2011-10-20 05:10:26 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Alright, so corps that know how to use the decshield and game the war mechanics will be just fine, but the noob corps who are still figuring out how to manage a corp properly are even more screwed than before.

Glad to know CCP cares about their new players.


I used this all the time when I was a new corp and still do. To create another "escape corp" to avoid war decs with an alt char of even the same account is FREE! ...

This change is only beneficial to small carebear corps that wanna get on with mining, building, or missioning business as usual and avoid griefing corps.

... oh how griefers whine when their newbie targets change corps and they can't blow up their haulers, mining boats and missioners any more on this looked-forward-to Saturday with their BCs HACs and Battleships.

Whine griefers whine.

I have NO IDEA what you mean by noob corps being even more screwed than before now with this change.

As to the huge repercussions with 19 corp chains and alliance hopping and dec shields I admit knowing nothing about that aspect of this issue.

I am simply responding to the issue of newer and less PVP-oriented and talented smaller corps being able to corp hop their heart out back AND forth to avoid wars they don't want. Many griefers have said here if they dont wanna defend what they have then they don't deserve it. ... No, sorry ... defence of the non-aggressive in Empire Space is Concord's job.

Griefer corps should NOT have the right to "be the ones to teach a newbie corp what EVE is all about" in their one-sided "Eve is a PVP game" opinion. These carebears are building the ammo and modules they use to shoot **** and have fun. They don't seem to see that symbiosis whatsoever.

Another excuse of griefer corps for attacking newbie corps is "We have to train our newbie E-thugs somewhere." That's a load of bull manure too. They can tag along in confrontations that are not exactly in the hundred to one odds category such as blowing up week old chars with fleets of superior ships.

High school and College kids picking on Kindergarten and Elementary School kids in the sand box of the playground is just that ... Grow some balls and pick on someone somewhere CLOSE to your size if you wanna swing your EPEEN around.

These Balttleclinic stats (some of which members of some corps are even PROUD of and BRAG of) with the "Favorite Prey" showing as "Rookie Ship" make me LOL ... SO HARD ... so often ...

nuf said ... [/rant]

me
Kmelx
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#227 - 2011-10-20 07:52:18 UTC
isk4trade wrote:
Whine griefers whine


^^What he said^^

Wardecs currently are a joke, probably 95% of all active decs ongoing at the moment will be decs from PVP griefer corps against PVEers with no means to defend themselves, if this gives the PVEers a way to avoid the decs, annoy the lame griefers and cost them ISK it gets a +1 from me.
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#228 - 2011-10-20 09:28:55 UTC
The last two posters are ducking fetarded.

No one gives a **** whether YOU THINK wardecs should or should not be allowed. CCP have stated they WANT Eve to be a harsh universe. They have stated that being able to avoid wars in these ways is an UNINTENDED MECHANIC. If you disagree, leave the ******* game.

This change is not CCP saying "we don't want wars in highsec" or they would just remove the ******* option. This is about CCP saying "thats a bad thing ... but we can't fix it and won't police it."

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Caldari Citizen 786478786
#229 - 2011-10-20 10:45:12 UTC
Quote:
GM Karidor needs your likes!
From: Kelduum Revaan
Sent: 2011.10.17 16:45
To: EVE University,

To show your support for the awesomeness that is the DecShield, I would like everyone to follow these instructions:

1. Click this link: http://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=165765
2. Sign in if you haven't done already via the Log On button at the top.
3. Click "Like" in the top right of his post.
4. If you have any other characters or accounts, use "switch character" in the top right of the page, and repeat.
5. Don't post there, really, but you can have a good read and behold the griefer tears.

Thanks everyone,

--
Keld


In case anybody was wondering why this awful idea got so many "Likes" for GM Karidor.
0Lona 0ltor
Adeptio Gloriae
#230 - 2011-10-20 11:18:06 UTC
Not enforcing meta gaming war dodgers is a joke. This is clearly an attempt by a previous employer of CCP to damage the game in a bitter revenge attack just before being laid off.

Don't worry folks now that CCP has removed the baggage from its pay roll the game will hopefully get back to its routes as a PVP online spaceship game. Instead of the space Barbie ''you can't hurt me!'' crap fest that it currently is.
Sutskop
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#231 - 2011-10-20 12:23:53 UTC
Why the confusion. Can we please remove wardecs completely?
And while at it: make hisec so you cannot activate any offensive weapons thank you.
Norrin Ellis
Doomheim
#232 - 2011-10-20 16:34:56 UTC
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Norrin Ellis wrote:
Khanh'rhh wrote:

Because "defending" yourself by voting yourselves in and out of an alliance and using glitches in the game code is just ridiculous.

How about you defend it using, I don't know, ships?


The current Pay to Grief™ system is not an incentive to declare war against people who can defend with, you know, ships. Pick targets that can legitimately fight back, and perhaps they will. Pick targets that are easy prey, and they'll use the cheapest, easiest means at their disposal to be rid of you.


Sounds to me like they shouldn't have hung up a loot pinata with no ability to defend it.

You aren't meant to be able to get the rewards, without the risk. If you can't / won't defend yourselves you deserve to lose. That's what PVP is meant to be, not a "oh gosh, lets let them take part and go easy"


You have just exposed the mentality of every whiner in this thread. You don't really want a real fight, that is, PvP. You want easy gratification, and you want to blame the victims, selected explicitly for the ease with which they can be killed, for not putting up a real fight.

This is the equivalent of bullying a 5-year-old and then complaining that the 5-year-old should've fought harder to keep his candy.

CEO, Venture Racing

Manager, EVE Online Hold'Em
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#233 - 2011-10-20 17:01:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Poetic Stanziel
Kmelx wrote:
PVEers with no means to defend themselves
Why do people carry on with this fallacy that PvEers cannot defend themselves. Are there some special rules that inhibit them from fitting ships properly?
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#234 - 2011-10-20 17:04:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Poetic Stanziel
Dog Fuqqer wrote:
Quote:
GM Karidor needs your likes!
From: Kelduum Revaan
Sent: 2011.10.17 16:45
To: EVE University,

To show your support for the awesomeness that is the DecShield, I would like everyone to follow these instructions:

1. Click this link: http://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=165765
2. Sign in if you haven't done already via the Log On button at the top.
3. Click "Like" in the top right of his post.
4. If you have any other characters or accounts, use "switch character" in the top right of the page, and repeat.
5. Don't post there, really, but you can have a good read and behold the griefer tears.

Thanks everyone,

--
Keld
In case anybody was wondering why this awful idea got so many "Likes" for GM Karidor.

E-UNI whining about the unfairness of the sandbox since 2007. (Or whenever it was that Kelduum took over.)
Chiyeung Bonaparte
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#235 - 2011-10-20 18:07:03 UTC
CCP are you serious? What kind of change is this?

Fix your war dec system before you make any announcements like this.

This has destroyed high sec warfare and merc work.

I am ceo of a small merc corp that takes on high sec jobs, what can i do, when the target simply joins an alliance and raises the bill to the 100-200 mill. I lose a lot of business.


I recently had a contract against a corp that simply joined an alliance, and when we decced the alliance, they dropped the alliance and probably joining another one soon.

This is ridiculous. Good job CCP. Eve is safer then ever
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#236 - 2011-10-20 18:19:10 UTC
Norrin Ellis wrote:
You have just exposed the mentality of every whiner in this thread. You don't really want a real fight, that is, PvP. You want easy gratification, and you want to blame the victims, selected explicitly for the ease with which they can be killed, for not putting up a real fight.

This is the equivalent of bullying a 5-year-old and then complaining that the 5-year-old should've fought harder to keep his candy.


Real life allegories to a game = stupid.

Why was it that I was able to fight wars 3 months into the game, but apparently expecting the same from anyone else is the equivalent to theft from children?

The only excuse you have for being defenseless is you are terrible. If a bunch of new players want to form a corporation together with no backing, they will get **** on.

So, in the real world - I guess there are rules stopping the big kids (Walmart / whatever) from moving into an area and undercutting all the small independent stores?

Oh, wait.

Quit making excuses for being terrible and HTFU or just FO.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

ShipToaster
#237 - 2011-10-21 09:25:29 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Kelduum Revaan wrote:
ShipToaster wrote:
Recent wardec discussion threads. Go troll them or better still make one of your own....


Some good ideas there, and I have another suggestion I hope to post later on this evening which should provide a couple of things not currently seen with the current mechanics - most notably the option for the defender to end the war in the event they can muster significant force.
Please don't post your "capture the flag" idea. We don't need an artificial Warsong Gulch in this game.


Post it anyway as the posters in my wardec thread are getting boring with their same old tunes and I want to see what sort of direction a carebear lead CSM would take. Lol

One of you get those stats up as I want to know if eve university is a carebear corp or a newb corp.

.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#238 - 2011-10-21 23:05:14 UTC  |  Edited by: FloppieTheBanjoClown
I have some concerns on this.

GM Karidor wrote:
As it has come up:

Changing corps while in space AND online is not considered normal game mechanics (as any CEO/Director/Personnel manager trying to get rid of unwanted members can tell you) and this will still be considered an exploit (no direct relation to the war mechanics other than "surprising war targets"). Either log off shortly or go dock for that.


So it's against the rules for me to be in space when a CEO accepts my application. Let's be clear on this: a LOT of players are accepted to corps while in space. You apply to the corp, you undock and go about your business, you get accepted while doing so. It's now against the rules for you to not wait patiently in station while applying to a corp. While I know this has been abused by some (hehe) I think it's a legitimate concern that people might get in trouble without any deliberate exploitation.

In any event, this is the sort of thing that needs to be patched. Here we have an exploit ruling buried in the middle of a forum thread. For starters, you should be editing the OP to reflect this judgement so that all the information is in one place. Burying it several pages down results in people not knowing about it and getting warned while thinking they did nothing wrong.

This is what really bothers me about this: If you're saying that being accepted to a corp while in space is not "working as intended" then it's a bug that has existed for AT LEAST 18 months, because it's been that way ever since I started playing. That means CCP intended it to be different, and yet hasn't resolved the problem in more than a year (and probably much longer than that). At some point when a developer allows a product to continue working a certain way for YEARS, I have to assume either they intended it to work that way, or they find that functionality acceptable. These band-aid rules aren't Eve "working as intended" either.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#239 - 2011-10-21 23:26:49 UTC  |  Edited by: FloppieTheBanjoClown
edit: massively edited first post, this one became useless.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#240 - 2011-10-22 01:12:03 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
E-UNI whining about the unfairness of the sandbox since 2007. (Or whenever it was that Kelduum took over.)

PS - defining himself by his dislike of a an imaginary corp from an internet spaceships game...

since: who cares?


Leave Hi-Sec, problem solved...Lol

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.