EVE General Discussion

Most of the ones I see req a minimum amount of skill points,and the ones that don't just started and have like 3 people, thus seriously reducing the chance that A) They will actually take the time to train and B) Will have member on and active when you are online. There is a reason why noobs target larger guilds/corporations. It's because the larger the group the more likely others will be on to do things when we are.

Right....because they just want to swell their numbers. They have no intention whatsoever of actually taking noobs along on OPs and training them

The difference between WoW and EVE is the PVP nature.

The big alliances keep out newplayers, not to "weed out the weak" or "keep out the instant gatification peeps". They keep out the new toons because they are trying to keep out the alt spies, the corp griefers, the thieves and scammers.



There are PLENTY of corporations that are new player friendly. These corporations fight one another trying to attract the best, REAL new players, while doing their best to keep out the fake new players that are really spies, thieves, griefers and enemy alts.




I know there is one HUGE change CCP could make that would make me a lot more "new player friendly". A corp setting that allows me to set whether corp mates are allowed to shoot each other without CONCORD intervention.

I can lock down my billions of ISK worth of BPOs and deny them the ability to mess with the corp's POSes, but I can't stop corp griefers from showing up in my mission space with mass DPS and out of corp logistics, and blowing up my billion+ ISK missioning boat.

Oh, and I guess a change to the war dec mechanics. Right now you have to be aware that the new player may actually just be an alt that is gathering intel for his main corp to war dec you.


In short, new players are kept out because of the damage they can do.


I would hate to see CCP create a CCP run corp for all these new players to join. I'd much rather see them tweak some of the game mechanics that discourage people from recruiting new toons.

So the problem is the difficulty of getting in to an active corp as a new player.



That's three things not two. The first two are also blatantly obvious while the third is at best loosely connected to them. Growth and new people can be gained without number 3, but it certainly wouldn't hurt to look in to ways to improve on that.



There is a good reason for the difference. In WoW you can afford to include anyone. In EVE it's detrimental to your corporation. Rules of WoW don't allow sandbox gameplay, so any damage done by other players will get refunded by the GMs and it won't harm the game, since it's not a player driven universe. Here you can't do that.



I've played the new tutorials and they're pretty good actually and don't take too long to complete. They'll get you going in the game and you can learn the rest as you play. Someone who doesn't have the patience to play through the basic tutorials is unlikely to stick around anyway and is a serious burden to the players in a player corp.



How would this corp work exactly? Is it a player corp or an NPC corp? A player corp will have the same issues as real player corps and it will be used to grief new players. A NPC corp would have protection from this, but it's not going to be an active corp. It's going to be an active chat channel with little to no multiplayer just like current starter corps.

I'm also interested in hearing who would run all this. Currently players take a lot of their own time to make things like this work, so are you going to give players tools to manage this new corp or do you expect CCP to do it? Naturally a player run entity will be just like the ones we have now and a CCP run entity will require some people to be paid to play the game full time in order to manage it. If you have views on how it should work, I'd like to hear them from you, instead of having to assume things.

Your problem isn't that CCP doesn't have its own training corp or that big alliances don't want new players, it's that you want instant action/help without being willing to work for it.

I agree that CCP's tutorials are lacklustre (when I did them 2 years ago) and I think it would be much simpler to teach people through video tutorials. On the other hand, learning the mechanics your self can be rewarding.

Find something you are interested in, learn about it and then use that experience to shape your disisions instead of just saying "my what a big alliance you have. Can I join"

http://www.cad-comic.com/cad/20120625

I'll just leave this here

Like the real world EVE works best when rewards are earned through the providing of service. You provide a good service and the more people you provide this service to the more reward you get.

Having training corps is a great idea for player retention. A new player having a pop up window to help them choose a Training corp. Categories (mining, industrial, nullsec, faction warfare etc) brining them to a list of between 5-10 corporations which they just simply click to enter. They can look at a small description of what the corp has to offer through a small advertisement (show info).

The way it should be run in EVE though is that the corporation should have the ability to generate a reward through the training of the members and the trainees the ability to switch to another corp if the service provided is not good enough.
This is obviously a very basic model but could help with a new player experience.

Perhaps the OP should have said "some that speaks clear English should record the English versions of the lectures".


I'd rather have someone from London UK than someone from the deep swamps of Louisiana, USA.


I work for a multi-national with offices from Europe to USA to Asia. The people from China and India and even UK have no trouble understanding those of us from Middle America, when we speak English. The same is not true when the people in China are trying to understand the people in India. It seems that, perhaps, the native speakers that do not have a strong accent, are more easily understood than those that are not native English speakers, or come from areas that have strong pronunciation differences from that which is presented in the English dictionaries.

Or, heck, the guy we all have the most trouble understanding is from Wales.... Are they not even TRYING to speak English in some parts of Britain's hill country?


Of course, I can't help but giggle when one of our Toronto people start talking aboot getting the defects oot of the code.

Or when the people from Chic-ahhh-go say any-sht instead of initiate. "We're going to any-sht the meeting with introductions."


Or, the peeps form UK always asking the people in Chinar and Indiar for their status.


Do people in the England laugh at us Yanks at the way we mispronounce aluminum or schedule?

I don't know, I think I got a pretty good intro to the game from hanging out in the noob corp chat channel. Did the tutorials, and traded questions and answers with the other noobs. Some of the toons in the noob channel were trading alts of experienced players. So they were good guides, and their mains had corps people could join.

One other thought: If you apply to join a smaller corp instead of a big null sec alliance, you don't wait two weeks for a reply. There are plenty of helpful and noob-friendly corps out there eager to take in new members. Both in carebear and PVP varieties. I don't have statistics, but I think this is the way most new players go. Anyway, I didn't have any trouble getting into the EVE MMO community at all.

Whoa. Rookie to cynical and bitter in 2 weeks. CCP! Mark this new record!