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MocNoc
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-11-13 15:58:31 UTC
Question about a C4 and openings.

Say you live in a C4 with static C4. C4(home) - C4(neighbor).

Will C4(home) ever have a K162 come into it? If so are these the wondering holes people talk about. Is there any hole that is a real dead end?
Barrak
The Painted Ones
#2 - 2012-11-13 16:01:57 UTC
Any hole opening INTO your hole will be a K162.
Borlag Crendraven
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-11-13 16:03:04 UTC
You will get a K162 when someone rolls into you, that is completely independent of your own static. On top of that you can have roaming holes both in and outgoing although those will obviously be more rare.
MocNoc
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-11-13 16:10:29 UTC
ok if I can visualize a bit this is what is happening.

(HS,LS,NS) ->C1->C4->(static) ->C4. The last C4 will have the K162 in it allowing you in via the static from the first C4. So if one got in on that last C4 and rolled the K162 they'd essentially be at a dead end but not trapped as a static will always link to it creating a new K162. All of this barring that no wondering holes have sprung on the last C4.

If that is the case that last C4 would almost be the perfect place to setup shop.
Terrorfrodo
Interbus Universal
#5 - 2012-11-13 16:25:57 UTC
The last C4 will still have its own static in addition to the k162, if that's what you're asking.

In any system, you'll always be totally isolated from the rest of EVE if you close all current wormholes and do not warp to the new static. Until someone randomly connects to your hole via their own static. A C4 with static C4 is not different from other systems in this regard.

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Matt Ellis
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-11-13 16:28:04 UTC
The end C4 will always have a static of its own leading out. In fact, while i was living in a c4, i found random wormholes opening into us to be rather rare, so at times, we only had out c3 static to provide any fights.. which often it did not... it was rather boring..

This is caused by there not being as many c4 statics out there as there are c4s, so you might never get an incoming for a while, like we never did...

So to summarise, every wormhole has at least 1 exit out of it... you arent guaranteed to get an incoming hole, if thats how i understood your last post. For instance, in a c4 w/ c3 static, we ALWAYS had the C247 wormhole, and no K162s most of the time

Does that help in any way? if not, let me know, and ill see what i can do...
Barrak
The Painted Ones
#7 - 2012-11-13 16:31:16 UTC
I'm not sure what you are trying to say, but let me reply with this and it might make things clearer.

If you live in a C4 and your static is another C4 (which at last count there were 144 of them), you have no guarantee whatsoever as to what your STATIC C4 will have as a static.

Now last time I was in game, which was a few months back, C4's never had known space statics. Meaning that they only opened into other wormholes. They also didn't have wandering holes OUTWARDS bound.

So, if you are trying to decide to live in a specific C4 because it's current static has a static that opens into something nice, in 16hrs or less that will disappear.

If you want to live in a C4 and have a static that opens into another hole that has a static that is highly likely to open into KNOWN space (Null, Low, Hi), then a C4>C3 would be a good choice.

Hope that makes sense.
MocNoc
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-11-13 17:45:53 UTC
Thanks all. Matt's response seems to be along the lines of what I was questioning about.
Acac Sunflyier
The Ascended Academy
#9 - 2012-11-13 18:12:33 UTC
What's really interesting is when a c4 static leads into another c4 who's static leads into the c4 you were just in.
Paikis
Vapour Holdings
#10 - 2012-11-13 18:19:01 UTC
Acac Sunflyier wrote:
What's really interesting is when a c4 static leads into another c4 who's static leads into the c4 you were just in.


What's even better is when you've got a c6 doing this. double dread, single carrier escalations in the static!

booyeah!
Svodola Darkfury
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-11-13 23:44:37 UTC
Matt Ellis wrote:

This is caused by there not being as many c4 statics out there as there are c4s, so you might never get an incoming for a while, like we never did...



Very true. Only C2s, C4s, C5s and a few C6s can static into C4s (about 100-150 systems I think). Plus however many wanderings there are that roam all classes of wormholes. Given that there are about 500 C4s that gives you anywhere from a 20% (1/5) to 30% (1.5/5) chance of getting a K162 into your wormhole if EVERY static is open; which won't happen. Probably closer to the 15-20% range of getting selected.

My corp has saying about K162s though; when it rains it pours. If you find one in your system, get ready for a whole bunch more. In our experience (C2 to be fair) they come in batches of half dozens lol. I think (based on literally no evidence) that it has something to do with the selection process for where wormholes come out.

Svo.

Director of Frozen Corpse Industries.
YuuKnow
The Scope
#12 - 2012-11-14 02:55:57 UTC  |  Edited by: YuuKnow
If your looking to figure out what the frequency that you'll have a true exit from the WH is, what will probably happen most frequently is your C4 will open to another C4 which some will have a C2 static, which will always have Kspace exit, either null, low, or high.

You'll probably be looking at a WH->WH->WH->Kspace as your most common exit.

yk
Faulx
Brother Fox Corp
#13 - 2012-11-14 10:05:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Faulx
Svodola Darkfury wrote:

... Only C2s, C4s, C5s and a few C6s can static into C4s (about 100-150 systems I think). ...

Wormhole Attributes

102 c2s
144 c4s
90 c5s
17 c6s
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353 statics total

There's also about 20-100 wandering wormholes per class (1, 3, high, low, null) that also go to c1, probably another 50-150 total (at a guess). But like Svodola said, only a fraction of them is ever open at once.