EVE General Discussion

I suggest to returning crying for general buffs and nerfs, that's the smart and focused way to provide CCP good feedback.

It worked for highsec miners.

No, you didn't reply to the question, you evaded it.

Edit: Actually, you evaded all of them.

Am I the only one that finds it ironic to see moaning nullbears in a thread that requests that they be nerfed for their moaning?

I'm still trying to work out if Lord Zim is the monkey or the organ grinder of the sperglord team. Mind you, since you all like to grind your organs, I guess it is a moot point anyway

Anyhow, back on topic: hasn't all this nerf hi sec nonsence been coverd before? Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't L5 agents moved out of hi sec after nullbear moaning? If so, how did that work out for the overall health of the game?

Also, earlier this year we had the Incursion payout nerf (somewhat retracted, to CCP's credit, later in the year) - same question - how did that work out for the overall health of the game?

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for risk vs. reward balance (which applies to all sec) and tackling the dangers of runaway inflation. However I don't support players calling for the nerf bat to be swung against another group just because of their playstyle, where they decide to live or which corp/alliance they belong to.

[Oh, before you nullbear forum warriors start, I'll save your little trotters some effort: I don't live in null, I've never been involved in an Incursion and I've run about three L4s total. I hate missioning, but I can accept that other players might enjoy them.]

Considering the care I put into replying a lot of stuff you asked, I am not sure about what you think I have not covered.

Notice how you're not answering any of the questions, you're just skirting around them and handwaving about how EVE isn't "born to be a consistently happy experience", and you're completely avoiding the question about whether or not you're trying to fob this off as a hisec buff.

Keep in mind, you've constantly whined about our suggestions being nerfs, and nerfs are of course the juvenile solution.


Still haven't seen even an inkling of an answer on this topic.

The problem with just going "buff nullsec rewards" is, EVE has a monetary inflation problem already, and just adding to the rewards isn't going to help this in any way, shape or form (and having people lose ships isn't an isk sink). So CCP will have to increase their isk sinks somewhere and at some point, regardless of buffing or nerfing any given sec area. The question is simply where would be the simplest and most effective place to put these isk sinks, and how big should they be.

The sea of blue = safe null is a bit of a phallacy you see.

I wont lie, when I fly through Tribute now as a CFC member, am I that concerned about running into bad guys? No. I reckon I could fly a battleship through most systems there unscouted and be fine.

However ask the same question to a member of NCDotte and the answer is very different.

Why is that? Well because someone annoyed someone else and suddenly everyone is turfed from their home and kicked onto the metaphorical street. Everyone who used to rat in that space is now having to find another way to make money. Anyone with ships left in that station faces the choice of sell them on or hope that someone will let you fly it out alive for a cost (lol).

In terms of risk while ratting I think I've lost one or two drakes to players killing me in about 3 months (plus one lolfit geddon I was given to get me on my feet). That was because, in both occasions, I had let my attention slip. In either case could you imagine if that was a typical High Sec fit ship for PvE? That would be about 3-4 bilion isk in ships lost in a minimum,

Besides it's a bit of a self fulfilling prophecy. Since the Tribute/Vale slaughter/war there's no point in me roaming venal anymore because no-one does anything there. The only place I've been where it would have been worth roaming around was the south, and that''s because it's full of people who definitely aren't botting or RMTing.

Imagine that as soon as we had kicked NC. out of Tribute, there was a rush of ratters and anom runners and industrialists to make use of the resources there. Do you think I could roam through Tribute empty then? No, because gangs would be looking for all those ratters/anom runners/industrialists to kill.

Essentially the more people there are in null, the more targets there are. The more targets there are the more people will roam, the more people roam the riskier it gets. However this would be offset by the fact that people are more likely to form defence fleets. The more fighting there is in null (because there are more targets and therefore more roams) the more ships get destroyed. The more ships get destroyed the more money is taken out of the economy, so assuming players can produce enough to match demand it means lower prices for everyone in the long run.

Like... price increased due to FW exploiting? Well that's not high sec fault and got nerfed anyway. Now it'll take months for prices to stabilize and see if they settle on a inflation or deflation or neutral path.

You did notice where I said "monetary inflation" and not "price inflation", right, ? You do realize that FW removes isk from the economy, right? You do realize that as such, FW is working as an isk sink, thus helping in reducing monetary inflation, right?

You also do realize that the economy upset in that era was mainly due to CCP ******* with the economy through various vectors such as, oh I dunno, removing drone regions, various mineral consumption changes of various ships etc, right?