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High EHP ship for moving small valuable things AFK

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Raziel Walker
NPC Tax Evasion Corp
#21 - 2012-11-09 13:06:50 UTC
Tech3 cruiser with wcs, covops and fit for max tank.
http://greedygoblin.blogspot.com.au/2012/11/highsec-hauling-after-orca-fix.html His build is maybe a bit over the top but it illustrates the point.

Not much cargo space but enough if you are carrying low-volume stuff like books and blueprints.
Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
#22 - 2012-11-09 13:43:36 UTC
I know a guy who used to run a high value haulage service from Jita, he used a massively buffer fit Nighthawk for the purpose although as he was ATK he was able to use active hardeners.

For a truly AFK fit then I'd probably start with the Claymore, it's fast and agile for its size and its shield resistances don't need vast assistance to fill the holes. Building on those shields with buffer and resistance amps should provide a very significant block of regenerative hitpoints and the lows and rigs can be used to enhance that still further or to provide yet more speed...

Of course if you're regularly hauling hundreds of plexes or officer mods AFK then there is nothing you can do to keep yourself absolutely safe; no amount of hitpoints that an organised group can't chew through to get at that juicy loot so the ship you choose must balance speed with hitpoints and capacity.
Boomhaur
#23 - 2012-11-13 00:12:00 UTC
Armor tanked hulls which have armor bounus to hit points or resists. The reason why I go with armor tank is because no one knows whether or not your running slave implants or not. It adds another element to guesswork on what resources they need to bring you down if they want to be guaranteed a kill. Not to mention it is a lot easier to make fully passive setups based on armor for max EHP.

Augoror Navy Issue/Prophecy
Abbadon
Damnation

Those are the ones I would use off hand in that order, all of which can field 100k+ passive EHP on their lowest resist. The Augoror Navy Issue and Prophecy I put on par with each other due to the prophecy being slower/bigger sig/slightly higher EHP compared to the Augoror, out of the two I go Augoror it is less painful to AFK due to being slightly faster and the lower sig should make up for the small EHP disadvantage.

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Cage Man
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#24 - 2012-11-13 02:36:23 UTC
maller or navy auga(you will be amazed at the armor buffer this gets) work pretty damn well for afk tanky small hauling.. if you really worried.. shield and armor buffer at teh same time drake also works but it is slower than the cruiser hulls.
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
#25 - 2012-11-13 02:52:24 UTC
Cage Man wrote:
maller or navy auga(you will be amazed at the armor buffer this gets) work pretty damn well for afk tanky small hauling.. if you really worried.. shield and armor buffer at teh same time drake also works but it is slower than the cruiser hulls.


Well, speed also matters. If I didn't care about speed I'd just use my Charon.

Also, we're not talking about moving multiple billions worth of stuff. Just something like a BPO or two, enhanced with some ML and PL Research.
Boomhaur
#26 - 2012-11-13 05:21:01 UTC
Well than you want the Navy Augoror or the Maller I forgot about that one. I find the Navy Augoror the fastest to afk out of the ones I have used that are capable of having 100k+ EHP tank on lowest resist though. Your able to do that with basic T2 modules and T1 rigs, nothing special as well minus the hull which set me back around 50mil several months ago.

The maller should be the same speed as the Navy Augoror but with less EHP but still enough to make people think twice before attacking.

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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#27 - 2012-11-13 10:31:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Mara Pahrdi
Tbh, I do not go afk anymore in HS for small volume, high value stuff.

It's either a cov ops if I'm paranoid, or more often just an inty. They easily fit into an Orca too, besides a blockade runner.

At 22,4 au/s it takes about 12 minutes from Jita to Rens in a T2 frig and you still can do other things besides, even when cloaking.

Inty has the subwarp speed advantage. Easy to get above 5 km/s. Cov Ops the cloak. If there's more volume, it's the blockade runner. Just a couple minutes more at 14,5 au/s.

I've been locked once in the last 18 months in a Prowler by a very fast locking Tornado, but I was well in warp before he could do anything else. Smartbombs would be a problem, agreed. But I've never seen them used on a HS gate yet Blink.

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#28 - 2012-11-13 12:45:27 UTC
Salpad wrote:
I need a suggestion for what hull to use, and for how to fit it. I already have a Crane fitted and rigged to move stuff quickly with reasonable EHP, and a Bustard fitted with buffer tank in MID slots and rigged and LOW-slotted for cargo. And a Charon for the low-value-density stuff.

But I'd like something tankier than the Bustard. Doesn't need lots of cargo space at all, just a lot of EHP, and decent speed (faster than the 0.7 AU/s of the Charon) to move stuff AFK through high-sec.

I could buy and fit another Bustard for this purpose, but for reasons of simplicity, a different hull would be nicer, as I'd then be able to immediately discern between my large-cargo Bustard and my ultra-tanky non-Bustard.

Are there other racial Deep Space Transports worth looking into? Or should I just grab a Bustard and accept the hassle of needing to be able to discern between the two different ones (often both parked in Jita).


If they're valuable, don't move them AFK.

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Backfyre
Hohmann Transfer
#29 - 2012-11-13 14:22:03 UTC
A gank destroyer can put out 11,000 damage at a net 10M loss. Gank brutix is 25,000 damage at a net 45M loss.

The math is simple - don't AFK fly high value cargo.

If you still choose to haul AFK, please set up a macro that posts "Oooooiiinnnnnnnnk!" in local every 15 seconds.
Mike Whiite
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#30 - 2012-11-13 15:02:48 UTC
use a bait Drake


1) it has a s&*%load of EHP
2) People will think it's a Bait ship (reverse psycology :) )
Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#31 - 2012-11-13 16:09:54 UTC
Devouter with slave set? Passive armor tank, very high ehp, cruise size, and most people will think you are moving it to a new staging system, that you are crazy, or are hunting war targets with a scripted point.
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#32 - 2012-11-13 16:16:16 UTC
Well the best way to move small valuable stuff safely is a covops or cloaky T3. But covops is useless for AFK travel.

For moving a few BPO's around I would use a interceptor or dram. Ares is probably the best option. Obviously you will not be fitting MWD but with maxed out speed and agility you will be getting into warp before anyone can scan you, and closing that 14,000m to the gate quickly so you can jump. Not to mention they will make the run very fast.

A lot of players just use a shuttle. Many many shuttles go in and out of Jita every day. Some are players coming in to buy a ship. Others are players that just sold a ship and and are heading home. A shuttle will usually be in warp before the gate cloak drops, can hold loads of BPO's and BPC's, and are very fast for AFK travel. I fact a lot of null sec alliances run BPO's and BPC's in shuttle through null ATK. Just because it is such a fast nimble ship.

EHP will not save you when AFK hauling. Your best chance is a ship that will be fast enough to get thru without the gankers noticing you are AFK. ATK Shuttles usually even make it through gate camps, as long as they don't get caught in a bubble.
Zyella Stormborn
Green Seekers
#33 - 2012-11-13 16:36:11 UTC
Highest sub cap EHP, with not terrible speed would probably be Damnation, and Navy Augorer. If the items are small enough, interceptor.

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Backfyre
Hohmann Transfer
#34 - 2012-11-13 20:55:39 UTC
Bugsy VanHalen wrote:
Your best chance is a ship that will be fast enough to get thru without the gankers noticing you are AFK. ATK Shuttles usually even make it through gate camps, as long as they don't get caught in a bubble.

I guess you missed all those fabulous kills posted on the boards where people were doing exactly that. Roll
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