Missions & Complexes

Most PVE content works the other way around. It is only attempted and farmed by the hardcore pve people at the beginning, slow spreading into mainstream.

Either due to incursions popularity, its rewards vs risk/effort/difficulty, or some combination Incursions are already very popular with a wide variety of people with different levels of skill/commitment. This isn't necessarily a bad thing, but if Decently Intelligent hisecbear chooses Incursions over anything else every time, then it may be a sign incursions are a too good in some aspect.

Ummm no! you are thinking of C6 wormholes.

While I agree with your lowsec argument, I'd disagree on this one.
A lot of those nullsec pvp'ers who had alts doing missions to earn their ISK for ships etc. are doing incursions now instead to fund their PVP. Both nullsec, lowsec, wspace and highsec (wars).
I am not assuming this, I know this because I talk with the people I fly with.

Confirming that a LOT of scary sov/lowsec types keep an alt or two in Incursion corps.

anyone in eve universe faces the risk of dcing, you should stop using it as a excuse.

I lost a NM due to dcing, it's not a risk. the risk is farming anom and don't know when, who will drop on you.

I'm comparing incursion with wh. nullsec is a joke.

Risk/reward is a design guideline not an absolute hard rule. Its way more important for eve to offer reasons and places to sail pimp space boats in fleets than it is to slave to risk/reward.

The fact that incursions are more accessible in highsec, doesn't mean that in the future they can't introduce a new fleet encounter type for null and not offer it in highsec. They just strongly needed to offer attractive fleet encounters that was inclusive of highsec risk averse players in the incursion expansion.

Now that they are offering fleet encounters, they should take it to its logical conclusion and offer null only, designed for mixed fleet including capitals encounters (say 15 player jobs) - maybe one for each rat type, that might spawn rarely in conquerable space given some constraints that they could come up with.

The fact is ... L4 missions are booring same old same old over and over again with absolutely no variation. In incursion you bring more dangerous AI and add the most dangerous part of all ... more players, into the mix.

What better way is there to make people enjoy the pve (mandatory isk-grind for pvp or other purposes) side of the game ? Incursions offer risk and decent isk gain for it, highsec or not there still is that risk. Tons of griefers around wanting to get a piece from from the multibillion isk ships your required to run efficient fleets with. Waiting for a fleet can be a pain sometimes, then you have the highsec competition for the VG sites.

Most importantly you have to take additional risk of other people in a game dedicated for being a backstabbing scumbag. Still id gladly do it, afterall this is an MMO and fleet action prevails allways over sologrinding in terms of enjoyability.

Nerfing incursions would just break them and drive people back to do L4s as their mandatory isk-grind. Such a shame that would be.

The way to make them better would be to actually BUFF the assaults and HQ sites so that they would offer higher rewards then VGs since obviously with more people in the fleet more enemy dps in the field the risks multiply. Ships get blown up but people would be risking it for the higher gain. Assaults and HQs allso take more time to complete so just finetune the reward vs fleet&site size ratio abit and it should be even better.

Nerfing the VG sites would just make them useless as entry level incursions for people to do.

I'll expand on my earlier post a bit more.

1) Incursions should be for LARGE scale PvE. Scaling up value to effort/risks.

Incursion break outs:
Scout = Level 1's
Vanguards = Level 2's
Assault = Level 3's
HQ = Level 4's.

The most profitable Incursions to do are the Vanguards and they are farmed in highsec.

2) Previous to these, level 5's were "top of the heap" in low/null with higher-end plexes, only available in low/null, being "group activities".

With the tools in place to easily locate and group - with the "top" in other space now far lower comparative value for higher risks - your highsec Vanguards are not an assist but are an impediment to low/nullsec "risk" activities.

This has gotten to the point where you have Wormhole residents, lowsec and nullsec mission/plex runners shutting down their activies - in RISK space - to go do these - in HIGHSEC.

That's not good if the idea is to increase rewards for risk activities. The rewards don't really need to be lowered - the ability to farm them needs to stop. High value with little effort to locate it... For highsec - it needs adjusting.

As in - a crew can't do 10 complexes in a row without investing the time and effort to find them, you shouldn't be able to do batches of these in a row - IN HIGHSEC. Just fix the farming - leave the value there to keep attracting people to the activities.

(also get rid of the flexible LP like it is. Either attach standings to getting stuff from LP stores or eliminate this option - you have people with "junk" standings getting things that take days to "earn" grinding even L5 missions for SPECIFIC corporations...)

tbh, I don't think incursioners would go to pvp with anything more than 50m, too scared to lose the ship.

And yes, incursion need to be adjusted on the scale of risk vs reward.

Last thing, DONT fly shiny ship if you dont want to get ganked in HISEC.

not so much in everywhere else, no matter what pve ships you fly, you will eventually lose it, that's the real risk vs reward scale.