EVE General Discussion

What do you mean "has worked well till now"? Since when have CCP done anything to buff nullsec in comparison to hisec, which hasn't been reversed in a panic a few months later, with disastrous results?


This is the case for the CFC and the HBC, it's not "just [your] alliance". I'm sorry if the alliances you've been in have sucked, you should've chosen better.


I guess we know why they don't exist today, don't we?


Making nullsec guys more attached to their home: a good thing, it might encourage wars to last longer, it might encourage people to actually defend their home against roaming gangs.
Not enticing non-nullsec guys into moving there: I don't give a flying **** about designing nullsec in such a manner that overly risk averse people would want to move there, I'm just advocating changes which would make existing nullsec players move their alts back.


So what do you think people are going to say when they first try to go to a different empire, and they're met with "you must pay x isk to enter amarr/gallente/minmatar/caldari space"? Do you honestly think they'll think of that as a positive experience? How positive an experience do you think it'll be the first time someone is told they can't go into gallente space because they can't pay their customs tax?

Are you seriously and unironically trying to fob this off as a hisec buff?

One only needs to take CCP's own "Persona Test" to know that shooting each other up is not all the game is about

Well, as far as posting and debating in this thread and why Mynnna and I haven't been...This mostly boils down to "Is EVEO an effective mechanism for communicating issues to CCP?".

While it may be, I am not sure a bunch of posts buried in what essentially started as a attention seeking thread is the best way to go about it. But in the interests of outlining the issues, and articles on tm.com will also lay out the series of issues. They boil down a few biggies.

Production slots and organization in null. Offices/refinery/slots in a single location. You could theorycraft a ton of ways to solve this, revamped POS's to make shanty towns, multiple stations per system, massively increased station upgrades etc.

M3 movement. Moving materials around for production in null has costs associated with it that highsec does not. In the form of both risk and expense.

Null cannot tax refining effectively. Eve if it could, highsec refining rates are non-existent anyway. So you cannot compete on a cost basis.

Null does not get all the market fees. Even if it could, highsec fees are almost non-existent . See above.

Null cannot tax production and allow it's producers to compete. See slot fee argument spread around the thread. You can argue this should or should not be an income source, but if it isn't ever to be one, why even charge the piddly slot fees in highsec they do now. Just nuke them totally.

Highsec PI, 10% flat tax from NPC's is awful low. Null can make this up in some degree on higher volume, but the 10% relegates null to extraction and not factories.

So most of Lord Zim's arguments are pretty good fixes for most of this list. They do not encompass the entire fix, null does need some sort of station/pos system revamp to make it all come together, it also needs some other fixes like compressed ore nerfs, or some incentive for people to refine in null rather than jumping to closest perfect NPC refine.

However, none of this matters unless CCP is willing to start using some of the tools already in game to control the cost structure of production. You cannot have highsec producing in almost risk free manner, with freighters flying anywhere for peanuts, and NPC's providing free refining and practically free production costs. Null players have to pay for that infrastructure and cannot compete as long as those things are true.

Sure, CCP could do some hard bonusing of null stations to give them ME bonuses or something, but that seems far worse of a nerf to highsec in the long run than simply changing the cost structure a bit.

Really, the stupidest thing about ore compression is that it only works in low/null where you don't need to compress to ship, instead of highsec. If people recall, the rorqual ore compression was introduced when they nerfed mineral compression via passive targeters and tractor beams, cleverly replacing compression for empire -> 0.0 (an absolute necessity) with compression from 0.0 -> empire (what idiot needs this when you can just refine the ark and its tiny).

So an unobtrusive tax which has multiple uses is bad for eve, whereas a tax which is obtrusive as all hell and is circumventable by unstacking everything you're trying to haul around, that's a-ok?

Okay, bud.

I'm noticing you're completely and utterly evading the questions. Odd.

I'll have to make myself plainer, then:


And sigh, since you're set on focusing on the circumvention, I'll remove that from the question:

Is this the question? I don't understand what it means . As I said many times, English was not teached at school at my time so I need more understandable syntax.

Not sure if Vaerah is trolling or just dumb, but all of his suggestions have been laughably terrible.