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"Safe" low-sec mining Protection?
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Ragnarok DDinc
War Prophets
#1 - 2012-11-06 22:50:28 UTC
Okay, I have a fleet of say 4 hulks + an Orca between myself and a few friends to do mining/hauling at the moment, but hunting for ripe asteroid belts in hi-sec grows a little tedious after a while so this is where my question comes in.

Best protection from the occasional pirate or player jump would be what? I have never played a jammer, and tbh we are coming back from a long hiatus, so I'm not sure how effective Jamming is anymore(nor have I EVER used it, always been a pew pew type). My first thought was a stealthed Falcon at range ready to jam up anything that lands in the belt and keeping my ships aligned for a quick exit. My second thought was something with a little more tank/gank like a Curse or Pilgrim, but you get the idea of what my general ship choices would be.

The systems I am looking to mine in contain no stations, and seem lightly trafficed. Also they are islands away from 0.0 to avoid roaming fleets.
Berendas
Ascendant Operations
#2 - 2012-11-06 23:27:37 UTC
Jams and neuts would probably be your best bet. Just nullify the threat and leave, any simple tank/gank ship set to protect miners will be obliterated by any pirate gang worth its salt.
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#3 - 2012-11-06 23:44:43 UTC
Find a a lowsec system which is 50+ AU across, prefereably with a huge warp between the gae and some belts. Station not mandatory. When ebil piwates jump in system, align for POS/station, cloak Orca, worst case is a cloaky tackler but they can't get you if you aren't AFK.

Seriously, lowsec is only dngerous if you are dull.

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Kamenev Drang
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-11-07 02:50:45 UTC
Go to lowsec. Probe down hidden belt. When arriving, align to station. Watch local.
Lizzie Lefthand Marstolt
Nice Girl Corporation
#5 - 2012-11-07 12:19:02 UTC
Don't do it. It's not worth it.

With the time it takes to probe down sites and scouting and moving ships around you could be doing isk in highsec in relative safety.

If you want more excitement into your mining career, start using the isk from mining to buy cheap pvp ships for your fleet and go to lowsec/nullsec to try some pvp... Here is a nice tutorial how to find good systems to go to: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFQ7lGxhsWU
Nayl Mkoll
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-11-07 17:50:30 UTC
What lowsec ores are even worth it? with trite/ pye prices the way they are after all the influences the last year (drone poop nerf, bot crack down and hisec miner ganking nolonger profitable for most), you'll make better money dryhumping veld or plag I'd imagine. If you want sexy ores you could always find a c1-c2 with a hisec static. you get ark thru veld and generally have much less pirate traffic though you have to be comfortable without local and using dscan. but we use to live in wh's alot and generally much more higher end ores than a few hulks can mine in a day.
Ragnarok DDinc
War Prophets
#7 - 2012-11-07 18:10:16 UTC
Nayl Mkoll wrote:
What lowsec ores are even worth it? with trite/ pye prices the way they are after all the influences the last year (drone poop nerf, bot crack down and hisec miner ganking nolonger profitable for most), you'll make better money dryhumping veld or plag I'd imagine. If you want sexy ores you could always find a c1-c2 with a hisec static. you get ark thru veld and generally have much less pirate traffic though you have to be comfortable without local and using dscan. but we use to live in wh's alot and generally much more higher end ores than a few hulks can mine in a day.



It's more about quantities then quality. Lowsec is rarely mined, so most belts are filled to capacity. Pretty much every corner of hisec is heavily mined. Every time we think we found a remote corner 10-15 other people already thought of it lol.
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Don't do it. It's not worth it.

With the time it takes to probe down sites and scouting and moving ships around you could be doing isk in highsec in relative safety.

If you want more excitement into your mining career, start using the isk from mining to buy cheap pvp ships for your fleet and go to lowsec/nullsec to try some pvp... Here is a nice tutorial how to find good systems to go to: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFQ7lGxhsWU


We do PvP on a small scale, this is mostly a money making exercise and trying to maximize our profits mining while trying minimizing our risk in lowsec operations.
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#8 - 2012-11-07 19:27:58 UTC
Mining in LowSec is not for profit, it's for the fun and thrill of doing so.

There's no such thing as "security", however, as once one pirate scouts you, I promise you that your system will spike within 5 minutes.

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Itala D'Uhmri
Doomheim
#9 - 2012-11-07 19:34:39 UTC
Get in with a coalition that keeps a standing fleet.
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#10 - 2012-11-08 05:02:27 UTC
Do it in Lisbatanne..

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
Ghost Legion.
#11 - 2012-11-08 06:14:36 UTC
Go to Null Sec, Mining in Losec is for dumbasses.

Don't ask about Italics, just tilt your head.
Ragnarok DDinc
War Prophets
#12 - 2012-11-08 11:12:59 UTC
sYnc Vir wrote:
Go to Null Sec, Mining in Losec is for dumbasses.


I'd need to join an alliance then, not sure I got the time commitment for most.
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
Ghost Legion.
#13 - 2012-11-08 14:07:56 UTC
Ragnarok DDinc wrote:
sYnc Vir wrote:
Go to Null Sec, Mining in Losec is for dumbasses.


I'd need to join an alliance then, not sure I got the time commitment for most.


The difference between mining in highsec and losec is only the hidden belts are better in losec. However, the second even 1 scout decans a mining fleet you'll have too move or spend forever dying.

The actually belts are no better in terms of value.

Don't ask about Italics, just tilt your head.
Disastro
Wrecking Shots
#14 - 2012-11-10 12:39:24 UTC
sYnc Vir wrote:
Ragnarok DDinc wrote:
sYnc Vir wrote:
Go to Null Sec, Mining in Losec is for dumbasses.


I'd need to join an alliance then, not sure I got the time commitment for most.


The difference between mining in highsec and losec is only the hidden belts are better in losec. However, the second even 1 scout decans a mining fleet you'll have too move or spend forever dying.

The actually belts are no better in terms of value.


I would add this. The second your fleet is scouted by a pirate/roamer you can pretty much pack up and leave. They will be back with friends and probes. And if they dont get kills they will PROBABLY be back with cloaky ships and sit there cloaked to keep you from mining there.

I would second the suggestion about using null sec for your mining. There are lots of very care bear friendly null sec alliances that would love extra miners to come mine ore for their super capital production. The benefits to you are plentiful ore, high end ore, grav sites, defense fleets, mining bonus fleets and a guaranteed buyer for most of your ore.

But if this is not your thing I can understand that. There is also NPC null sec and a lot of npc space is very unpopulated. The ores are not as good as the ones you would find in sov space but occasionally you will find some high ends. Even in npc space joining a corp/alliance that lives there has its benefits. Just having the intel channels is useful so you can see when hostiles are in bound and you can be safed long before they arrive.
Alex Carmel
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#15 - 2012-11-12 19:13:59 UTC
Once your quiet lowsec system is outed, it'll take week for the pirates in the know to stop popping in every time they roam the nearby pipe. Why bother? It would be easier to setup shop in nullsec. Good null mining corp should have permanent boosting fleet and a well scouted pipe to the mining system. Much safer and you can mine whenever. They're likely to also have some pvp / decent pve options around too if you don't feel like staring at a rock.
Flyingleanpocket
Amarrian Vengeance
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#16 - 2012-11-12 19:34:05 UTC
Put it out of your mind, anyone who sees you will think their morning coffee had Viagra in it.
Karak Bol
Low-Sec Survival Ltd.
#17 - 2012-11-12 22:08:12 UTC
Yes, these guys up there are all right... *Keeps mining in low in peace*
Jasmine Shepard
Relentless Destruction
Immediate Destruction
#18 - 2012-11-12 23:50:12 UTC
I would suggest you all save up enough isk so each of your pilots can afford at least a low-grade set of snakes(HG preferrable) and get an offgrid loki booster. Fit your mining ships for nano and just kite/wtfpwn any enemy ship that comes to belt. Put some remote reps on your orca to rep ur hulks in the off chance that you happen to get tackled.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#19 - 2012-11-13 00:38:50 UTC
Once tackeld in said belt, immeadiately run to the forums and post a thread about being tackled in belt.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Ragnarok DDinc
War Prophets
#20 - 2012-11-14 01:51:58 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Once tackeld in said belt, immeadiately run to the forums and post a thread about being tackled in belt.


Sound advice. I don't know if pouring a billion isk worth of mining equipment into Low-sec would be a smart idea anymore. I was debating grav sites, but all t he low-sec space seems fairly busy nearby me. We have refining skills for Minnie space, and hauling the ore would be a pain.

Debating the alliance thing I guess. Thanks for the advice guys. o7