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How Do People Feel About the Watchlist?
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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#21 - 2012-11-12 17:26:12 UTC
The Logi wrote:
I am pretty sure most of the time people use the watchlist they are not using it as intended. How many people really use their watch list to keep track of online friends? Like noone right? We all use the watch list to keep an eye on enemy threats, mainly super-cap pilots.

So do you guys like having alerts every time an enemy supercap pilot comes on? Do you like alerts going out to your enemies every time one of your super cap pilots comes online? Although it doesn't adversely affect me, I don't approve of the free intel. It's rather immersion breaking for me.

It would be a simple fix, you don't get alerts from your watchlist unless you are on each other's watchlists. No mutual watch list no alert.


It's a contacts list, not a friends list. Therefore, using it to see when enemies are online is working as intended.

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#22 - 2012-11-12 19:04:14 UTC
Don't know about you guys, but my contact list is empty. I don't even have supercap pilots on it.

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Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#23 - 2012-11-12 19:13:26 UTC
The Logi wrote:
I am pretty sure most of the time people use the watchlist they are not using it as intended. How many people really use their watch list to keep track of online friends? Like noone right? We all use the watch list to keep an eye on enemy threats, mainly super-cap pilots.


Contrary to popular belief, some people in EVE actually do have friends.

I use it for both, in equal proportion.
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#24 - 2012-11-12 19:24:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Arduemont
Watch list working as intended.

Also it's really handy for tracking war targets if you get decced by small corps.

Edit: Also, I have plenty of blues on mine.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf
E-2C Hawkeye
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#25 - 2012-11-12 20:04:06 UTC
Inxentas Ultramar wrote:
I support the idea of showing up on a mutual watchlist only. I have to admit, I like being able to check if Pirate McSuchandsuch is online at this very time, but it would benefit emergent gameplay if I didn't know, and had to scout the system beforehand to be sure. It's kind of dumb I can see Pirate McSuchandsuch just logged on, even if he's half a universe away. I should be getting that intel through gameplay, not through automated notifications.


Yea hate to make it to simple but...... LOCAL?
Shizuken
Venerated Stars
#26 - 2012-11-12 20:08:53 UTC
I would prefer the watch list be removed. It is useful for intel on hostile targets but therein lies the problem. I am a realist, and unless I hire a PI to watch my enemies or rig their neighborhood with cameras I wont know when they are awake and able to harass me. If you want that kind of info you should have to incur the cost to obtain it.

Remove local too.
Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#27 - 2012-11-12 20:32:56 UTC
I thought you meant the fleet watch list when I started reading that. What?

I actually hardly use the other one at all. I did use it to keep track of friends when I did though, because I wasn't always in the same area with them. When I was, it was unnecessary. I've occasionally used it to keep track of others for various purposes too, such as when I was getting my Standings increased to keep track of one or another mission runner, and when I've been at war.

Not much otherwise, and I don't think there is anyone on it now.
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Mocam
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2012-11-12 20:47:17 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
The watch list should be two ways. That is, if someone puts you on a watch list, you should know who did it so you know who is watching you.


Such a "Facebook-like" feature.


There is an option to notify someone when you put them on your watchlist and it has issues doing so.

Example: Eve University had a policy where wartargets would be added to uni members watch lists -- with notification. How'd you like to get 300+ notifications spamming you within a single hour? How about over 1,000 over a 2 day window?

Convo spamming is a nasty way to mess with a pilot - a game mechanic use for combat purposes. Such notifications?

Picture the lulz from say TEST deciding they'll spam some small corp's members with over 6,000 "watchlist" notifications. Enough, done fast enough, and you could probably crash their client.
Mire Stoude
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2012-11-12 20:58:22 UTC
I'm a super nice guy and only use it to track friends.
Devon Krah'tor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2012-11-12 21:41:44 UTC
As an eve player I get upset at the idea of making this game more realistic at the cost of me adapting (unless it harms some other play style I compete with). Also I generally fear change and will hide behind a mask of sarcasm and derision.

anyway, Free intel is lame. Work for it like in real life, plus add new tools that aren't magical chat boxes and floating pictures to tell me who is nearby or onilne. We have onboard sensors, have intelligence agents. CCP run with this for god sakes.
Greater.Insight.Skill.Knowledge
Proletariat Tingtango
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2012-11-12 21:51:01 UTC
I mean you can take the watch-list away and you just give the advantage to the alliance with the most autists and sperglords with photographic memories and creepy, stalkerish tendencies (it's us).
E-2C Hawkeye
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#32 - 2012-11-12 21:55:31 UTC
Shizuken wrote:
I would prefer the watch list be removed. It is useful for intel on hostile targets but therein lies the problem. I am a realist, and unless I hire a PI to watch my enemies or rig their neighborhood with cameras I wont know when they are awake and able to harass me. If you want that kind of info you should have to incur the cost to obtain it.

Remove local too.



Watch list notifies you when they log on so if you see them pop up then you know at that moment they are not sleep or afk. I also use the tactic of staying logged on when at war just so they dont get the notification.
Tug McLub
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#33 - 2012-11-12 21:56:53 UTC
Wow...now all you muppets are crying about watch lists?
Getting to be pretty thin picking huh


Nubs
E-2C Hawkeye
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#34 - 2012-11-12 21:57:18 UTC
Proletariat Tingtango wrote:
I mean you can take the watch-list away and you just give the advantage to the alliance with the most autists and sperglords with photographic memories and creepy, stalkerish tendencies (it's us).



Yes all these describe goofswarm.
Devon Krah'tor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2012-11-12 22:00:39 UTC
Tug McLub wrote:
Wow...now all you muppets are crying about watch lists?
Getting to be pretty thin picking huh


Nubs


EveTranslator 2.0

"That suggestion and the ensuing discussion offer possibilities that will reduce the effectiveness of my playstyle. While I don't want to appear as though I care, I do have a vested interest in the status quo, and as such would greatly prefer if it stayed thus"

Greater.Insight.Skill.Knowledge
Tug McLub
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#36 - 2012-11-12 22:13:49 UTC
Devon Krah'tor wrote:
Tug McLub wrote:
Wow...now all you muppets are crying about watch lists?
Getting to be pretty thin picking huh


Nubs


EveTranslator 2.0

"That suggestion and the ensuing discussion offer possibilities that will reduce the effectiveness of my playstyle. While I don't want to appear as though I care, I do have a vested interest in the status quo, and as such would greatly prefer if it stayed thus"




Nice to meet you Devon, I'm sure we are going to become great friends :)
Frying Doom
#37 - 2012-11-12 22:14:57 UTC
Free intel sources on enemies should be removed.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#38 - 2012-11-12 22:27:33 UTC
My list is not empty. But contacts on the list are either friends, or people I want/need to get in contact with, whatever the reason.

Remove standings and insurance.
ACE McFACE
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#39 - 2012-11-13 01:46:22 UTC
I use it as a revenge list, not that I have actually taken revenge on anyone on it.... yet.

Now, more than ever, we need a dislike button.
Irya Boone
The Scope
#40 - 2012-11-13 01:51:44 UTC
work as intended for me
just imagine a spy Who cost the price of your subcription .or 500M /month... immersion OK !!

:)

hope I answered ^^

CCP it's time to remove Off Grid Boost and Put Them on Killmail too, add Logi on killmails .... Open that damn door !!

you shall all bow and pray BoB
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