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Marlona Sky

State War Academy

Caldari State

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#101 - 2012-11-05 07:33:55 UTC

Siigari Kitawa wrote:

I remember back when I was in Jita during the Burn Jita incident I was flying a rather pimped out Damnation to take aggro for a group of people who were then to engage all aggressed targets. As my Damnation creeped lower and lower to structure I prepared to dock.

Just before I went to click dock I got a convo bomb from Goons. There was enough client lag to freeze up my screen, cause me to miss the dock button (no idea how, I clicked it) and I hurriedly realized I needed to dock. Now. I clicked the X closing ALL the convo window popups and clicked dock.

I docked before I reached structure but it was a tense moment. I've got a recent computer with a good processor and video card and the client took a dump on me because of all the requests.

It's called a convo BOMB because it is much like a DDOS. I am glad I didn't explode, but I believe that that is pretty close to harassment.

They did that to a ton of people during the Jita thing, yet for some reason it is only an exploit when used against them. I think everyone who lost a ship during that 'pay attention to us' event should petition to have their ships reimbursed citing convo bombed by goons.

Seems only fair if goons and pets had capitals reimbursed that everyone else should get the same treatment from CCP.

William Andersen

Andersen and Phelps Inc

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#102 - 2012-11-05 17:43:34 UTC | Edited by: William Andersen

Does this also apply to the warnings that pop up every morning to tell you the game is about to restart? Those are the ones that always get me killed. Especially because there is like four of them within an hour. They are very persistent, you cannot go on until you click a button.

Honestly it's only happened once where I was killed, about 5 where it was VERY close.

Maybe this should be one of those notices that pops up and then goes away on it's on - that way it doesn't lock up the rest of the UI.

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Viziam Amarr Empire 11,532
James Amril-Kesh Viziam Amarr Empire Likes received: 11,532	#103 - 2012-11-05 19:31:53 UTC Marlona Sky wrote: They did that to a ton of people during the Jita thing, yet for some reason it is only an exploit when used against them. You're the only one saying this. Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Operation Sleepless 443
Siigari Kitawa Operation Sleepless Likes received: 443	#104 - 2012-11-05 20:16:23 UTC \| Edited by: Siigari Kitawa Heh, I actually found the image. This was like, the convos I was getting after I docked. http://siigarikitawa.com/images/convobomb.jpg Need stuff moved? Push Industries will handle it. Serving highsec, lowsec and nullsec - and we do it faster and more reliably than anyone else. Ingame channel: PUSHX

Johan Civire

Caldari Provisions

Caldari State

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#105 - 2012-11-06 00:13:00 UTC

Chiimera wrote:

Johan Civire wrote:

Yes and no. Virtual items is like real money. If you spend isk in game and you lost it, you feel the same when you buy a second hand car and it broke afther the first day of driving. You lost item you lost ship because"lag/ui bug or other bugs"**** happens dont blame everything on the same thing. We know its a game and a game can have broken thing. Read the faq and user agrement first before trying to insult gm team. People have problems with reading those things the lying always to accept and the have never read it. Thats where the QQ happens when some things are just broken for now or for ever. The game belongs to ccp even if you think a costumer have rights your wrong. Thats where the eula stands for, every time there is a patch a change in the game you NEED to accept that eula for even playing the game so. If you can read the eula you know that you have no change ti get stuff back Even when its ccp fault....

Sorry for the very bad spelling grammer but atleast i can read the faq and eula....

It's quite obvious that being able to read the EULA and understanding the EULA are two very different things.

I can feel your anger about the little problem with rules there.


Marlona Sky State War Academy Caldari State Likes received: 5,978	#106 - 2012-11-06 03:50:53 UTC Siigari Kitawa wrote: Heh, I actually found the image. This was like, the convos I was getting after I docked. http://siigarikitawa.com/images/convobomb.jpg File a petition.

Fraternity Alliance Please Ignore 243
CraftyCroc Fraternity Alliance Please Ignore Likes received: 243	#107 - 2012-11-08 00:09:34 UTC The problems not with the GM's..... its with you. GM's - for the record... I like the fact you do not reimburse anybody. It makes for an even playing field


James Amril-Kesh Viziam Amarr Empire Likes received: 11,532	#108 - 2012-11-08 03:06:14 UTC CraftyCroc wrote: The problems not with the GM's..... its with you. GM's - for the record... I like the fact you do not reimburse anybody. It makes for an even playing field Except they do reimburse people all the time, and they're remarkably inconsistent about it. Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Matthew97

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#109 - 2012-11-09 11:49:08 UTC

You say this is not an exploit yet under YOUR EULA it is considered an exploit.

After my experiences with the GM team before, I've found them to be extremely incompetent in their job in certain cases where I've been copy and pasted the exact same response from the first GM and the 2nd "Senior" GM I escalated it to.

UNDER YOUR EULA ANY USER THAT ENGAGES IN AN ACTIVITY TO INTENTIONALLY CAUSE LAG TO ANOTHER PLAYER SHOULD BE ISSUED A PERMANENT SUSPENSION

From your OP your entire basis of making this not an "Exploit" is that the Pop-Up can be ignored, however it STILL generates lag when the client has to process 100+ Conversation then Requests and THEN deny them all as its all taking place client side.

Here are the relevant EULA terms:

Quote:

EXPLOITS

An immediate permanent ban of an account may result if:

A player has engaged in activity that intentionally causes others to lose connection, suffer latency issues (lag) or to crash to desktop (CTD).

http://community.eveonline.com/pnp/banning.asp

Capricamper shore

State War Academy

Caldari State

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#110 - 2012-11-10 17:57:24 UTC | Edited by: Capricamper shore

I did not read the whole thread, but it seems that losses due to convo spamm do not get reimbursed because it is possible to pilot your ship as usual even when convo`ed, I am not sure if this has come up but this is not true. If you pilot your ship using hotkeys the focus from the background window is pulled to the convo window at which point you can no longer use the hotkeys and the critical few moments that it needs to take over manual clicking is usually enough to do whatever they want to do.

Matthew97

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#111 - 2012-11-11 13:34:10 UTC

Capricamper shore wrote:

Which was my point, the entire basis of this not being an "exploit" is that you can still click on stuff.

As usual the GM team have neglected to read their own EULA or test this properly and you'll see that the client performance drops dramtically, freezing up the game making your ship un-flyable.

As stated in my last post this is covered as:

Quote:

School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 5
Challu Ni School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State Likes received: 5	#112 - 2012-11-11 21:36:54 UTC 1 GM Homonoia wrote: .. as I posted above, the claim that it produces lag is still under investigation. Hi GM Homonoia, It's been about two weeks since. Any updates? Thanks!

Chiimera

State War Academy

Caldari State

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#113 - 2012-11-12 01:56:51 UTC

Challu Ni wrote:

GM Homonoia wrote:

.. as I posted above, the claim that it produces lag is still under investigation.

Hi GM Homonoia,

It's been about two weeks since. Any updates?

Thanks!

It's likely that CCP has tested the issue and will prepare a fix before making an announcement. For some reason, so many companies think it is a good idea to not say anything rather than giving interim updates.

C C P C C P Alliance 1,985
CCP Navigator C C P C C P Alliance Likes received: 1,985	#114 - 2012-11-12 14:10:10 UTC Hello everyone, Lead GM Grimmi has asked that we publish this news item as an update. In short, convo spamming is very bad and will be dealt with harshly. There is no need for further discussion on the matter and this topic will be locked on request of Customer Support.