Ships & Modules

I hope so.

The idea is to come up with ideas that can influence this, If we just leave ccp to their devices, we get ASB's.

Passive shield regen does cost energy if you want to increase its value. Shield Power Relays have a cap penalty and if you use the midslot Shield Rechargers then that's no differant from fitting a cap booster on an active armor ship - i.e. eitherway you dedicated a midslot for cap.

From general consensus, it seems ASBs will likely be limited to 1 module per ship and I feel that is sufficient to balance it. People need to stop drooling over EFT stats and realise that 30 seconds is not a sustainable tank. As seen in Alliance Tournament, the boost amount of ASBs, while powerful, is still very manageable. The issue is on TQ, there is no ASB limit (AT rules limit ASBs to 1 module per ship), so people are often able to permaboost thier ASBs if they fit 2, which outperforms deadspace/officer shield booster that have a cap booster support. Limit 1 module per ship on TQ (the same way Damage Controls are limited to 1 mod per ship) is all that is needed to fix ASBs IMO. People who die to ASB ships before the reload were going to die anyway if the ship was buffer shield tanked and need to stop blaming their badness on ASBs.

Now onto armor tanking. Small Armor Repairers are fine IMO. Leave them alone. Medium Armor Repairers repair way too little - they don't scale sufficiently with the increased DPS found in those engagements (i.e. Cruisers and BCs). Large Armor Repairers repair sufficient amounts of HP BUT they have ridiculously high fitting requirements that you have to use the smallest class guns on those ships (Dual Rep Hyperions for example are most commonly fitted with Electrons).

Lastly active armor rigs (Nano Pumps and Accelerators) should not have a speed/agility penalty. From a gameplay point of view active armor tanking is only used (if ever) in solo or small gang PvP. Speed/Agility dominate this scene of PvP which is one of the main reasons Shield tanking is preferred here. Removing these penalties IMO will make active armor tanking more competitive against their shield counterparts. Perhaps they should share a sig penalty to compensate. Also from an immersion point of view it makes no sense for them to have a speed/agility penalty. Trimarks, sure, they add a chunk of armor to your ship (although speed penalty still doesn't make sense but lets ignore this aspect of Eve physics). Active rigs just improve your rep amount, they shouldn't make your ship physically any beefier.

As for buffer/passive armor tanking. I'm in disagreement with a lot of the Eve Community. The common criticism here is that despite not having a sig penalty like buffer shield tanking, the speed penalty makes it easier for you to be tracked by turrets anyway. It's also complained that in fleets it's harder to rep armor ships because the rep is at the end of the cycle. I'm pretty meh about this. Armor have more EHP (due to superior HP from plates and better base resists) than shield so IMO can afford the rep being at the end of the cycle. Also... slave implants. Armor buffer tanks have some drawbacks yes, but they easily have enough advantages over buffer shield for me not to care.

The double speed/agility nerf has to be sorted one or the other but not both,as the OP says its killing armour tanks,The reactive hardener could be a very good modual .But my god as it is atm ,its useless You train the skill to use it ,and get faster cycles so it adapts the resistances quicker.What you get is a modual that drains your capaitor as if you had a battery of nuets on you,and to make it even worse the resistance adaptation is to slow even at lvl 5.Now if it was a shield modual i could understand the capaitor drain ,as thats energy to offset DPS (somehow the devs always overlook that fact for shield tanks).The modual isnt even boosting anything ,its changing the armour resistances so why it has a capatior drain is total nonsense to me.Perhaps if we got faster repper cycles aswell that would explain the capaitor drain ,but we dont..So to fix this modual,the capaitor drain has to go ,and the adaptation has to be faster a 100% faster at least imo.We might then have a usefull modual for armour tanks.

LSE is easier to fit and gives more HP than 800mm.

LSE I 1875hp 150mw 40tf = 9.868 hp/fitting, no drawbacks

800mm I 1500hp 200mw 25tf = 6.667 hp/fitting, 1.875mil kg mass addition

1600mm I 3000hp 500mw 30tf = 5.660 hp/fitting, 3.750mil kg mass addition




The main advantage obviously is that your tank automagically repairs itself, unlike armor that requires docking or getting someone to rep you up. If you emphasize PST, it's equal to a specifically emphasized active armor tank (passive Drake vs dual rep Myrm).

What always struck me as weird (as I fitted a myrm for screwing around in) is that as my skills improved in armor tanking, my cap stability decreased.

Training a skill shouldnt make it harder on the cap!


As for no passive armour fits, why can it not make use of nanobots to repair it 'passively'...?

@Goldensavr
Im not saying it shoulsdn't have a cap cost ,but it shouldnt increase because your getting a faster cycle ,was the point i was trying to make .And my bit about Shield tanks and devs was shield boosters and extenders all should have a fairly high cap cost ,as they are using energy to offset any DPS by extending and boosting the shield beyond its SOP(standard operating parameters) ,But in game the cap cost if any of these mods is small.

It always does. I'm not surprised. Previous to people 'discovering' (because no actual game changes were made) that shield tanking was pretty good there were frequent calls for shield tanking to be buffed and armor tanking nerfed.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Plates effects MWD and AB speed.

The game changes were increases in weapon damage. After that it mostly became better to apply tons of damage, move fast, and simply fit a light to medium shield buffer. It became worse to fit an average (or even bad) armor tank compared to the increased incoming damage and be slow. It's further magnified by how many people are shooting the armor-tanked ship. Getting hit by 2-3 people now is similar to getting hit by maybe 3-4 people back then.

Shield buffers recharge over time if you kill or escape. Armor requires repair and takes up lows, therefore reducing damage. So, people use shields instead, especially with the creation of the ASB.

CCP released the ASB giving active shield tanks an amazing module while armor got the RAH giving them a relatively bad module. Even the repair bonuses of some gallente ships isn't enough to prevent people from shield tanking them.