These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

Ships & Modules

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
12Next page
 

Tengu after nerf
Author
Previous Topic Next Topic
Cain Tetsuo
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-11-10 09:19:09 UTC
Im training for a tengu right now but with the nerf coming to heavy missiles should i be thinking about training assault missiles instead of heavys as my primary weapon? The dps may be higher but im concerned about their poor range.
Demolishar
United Aggression
#2 - 2012-11-10 12:04:40 UTC
The nerf was nerfed somewhat.
Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#3 - 2012-11-10 12:08:38 UTC
Demolishar wrote:
The nerf was nerfed somewhat.


links or gtfo
Demolishar
United Aggression
#4 - 2012-11-10 12:10:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Demolishar
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=155029&find=unread

The damage nerf is -10% now not -20%. I don't feel that it's really a big deal, as you can get that DPS back, at least against BS, by using the improved T2 ammo. The range is still silly far on Tengus anyway - it was 125km, now it's 90km. Big deal.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#5 - 2012-11-10 12:56:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Lin-Young Borovskova
Demolishar wrote:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=155029&find=unread

The damage nerf is -10% now not -20%. I don't feel that it's really a big deal, as you can get that DPS back, at least against BS, by using the improved T2 ammo. The range is still silly far on Tengus anyway - it was 125km, now it's 90km. Big deal.


You are assuming the immediate missile changes that do not include T2/T3 ships rebalance. For a couple months (years?) this might still be the case but should I tell you how far and hard can you alpha stuff with a T2 Hotwizer fit Hurricane?

90km is ok'ish, this will change nothing to the fact you can fit your instacane for alpha small stuff at over 120km (right now it's far more range), will also change nothing about the poor/bad dps/alpha of Brutix with 250's not even able to target at that distance.
For a T3 get T1 battlecruiser dps and T2 cruiser tank it's quite balanced.

brb
Vokradacka
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2012-11-10 17:03:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Vokradacka
T2 scourge furry missiles ill get BIG range nerf ... from 110km to 35km .. btw HAM T2 rage missiles ill have 30 km range Shocked (+ fitting and dps buff)


Edit: Ok , there was a range change in new version , so T2 fury HLM ill have 60 KM range
Hatsumi Kobayashi
Perkone
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-11-10 22:10:02 UTC
State of the sky: not falling

No sig.
Wacktopia
Fleet-Up.com
Keep It Simple Software Group
#8 - 2012-11-12 01:16:01 UTC
Cain Tetsuo wrote:
Im training for a tengu right now but with the nerf coming to heavy missiles should i be thinking about training assault missiles instead of heavys as my primary weapon? The dps may be higher but im concerned about their poor range.


Wouldn't worry, it will still be a good ship.

If you're training for PVE then Tengu will still be great for that. There is some talk of Armor gangs being more common post-Retribution but that doesn't mean Drake/Tengu are dead and buried, never to be seen again.

Kitchen sink? Seriousy, get your ship together -  Fleet-Up.com
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#9 - 2012-11-12 05:35:03 UTC
the way things stand now, you have the choice between either ~30km range or ~50km range but bad damage application to frigates.

I should buy an Ishtar.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-11-12 05:53:12 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
You are assuming the immediate missile changes that do not include T2/T3 ships rebalance. For a couple months (years?) this might still be the case but should I tell you how far and hard can you alpha stuff with a T2 Hotwizer fit Hurricane?


You should try to alpha Dramiel at 20 km with 720s.
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#11 - 2012-11-12 10:05:55 UTC
Nerf is way less than it should have been

Your tengu will continue being massively OP.

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

Mra Rednu
Vanishing Point.
#12 - 2012-11-12 10:27:35 UTC
Demolishar wrote:
The nerf was nerfed somewhat.


Nerf is a buff.

CCP pandering to the new players again making Tegnu and HM missiles still **** easy to use and train into.
Mike Whiite
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-11-12 11:46:02 UTC
Mra Rednu wrote:
Demolishar wrote:
The nerf was nerfed somewhat.


Nerf is a buff.

CCP pandering to the new players again making Tegnu and HM missiles still **** easy to use and train into.



Realy, I'm rather intrested in what part the HM's are buffed?

Tengu will be fine, though fitttings will probably move towards a HAM tengu
To mare
Advanced Technology
#14 - 2012-11-12 12:34:56 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:

You are assuming the immediate missile changes that do not include T2/T3 ships rebalance. For a couple months (years?) this might still be the case but should I tell you how far and hard can you alpha stuff with a T2 Hotwizer fit Hurricane?

90km is ok'ish, this will change nothing to the fact you can fit your instacane for alpha small stuff at over 120km (right now it's far more range), will also change nothing about the poor/bad dps/alpha of Brutix with 250's not even able to target at that distance.
For a T3 get T1 battlecruiser dps and T2 cruiser tank it's quite balanced.



idk if you meant Tornado instead of hurricane because a hurricane alone at 120 unless he get a lucky shot wont be able to oneshot even a with no skill and no tank





more on topic if i remember well missile with the next patch will recive bonus from TE and TC (also malus from TD) so the range nerf its kind of counterbalanced by that
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#15 - 2012-11-12 13:53:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Lin-Young Borovskova
To mare wrote:
idk if you meant Tornado instead of hurricane because a hurricane alone at 120 unless he get a lucky shot wont be able to oneshot even a with no skill and no tank



No, I really meant Hurricane. It's possible to make it work and kill frigates with 2 shots max at over 140 while they're thinking like you "what tha...?"
As unbelievable you might think, it works and works very nicely. (one shot bombers at 100km with no tracking issues)
As for Tornado at 140km I'm still in optimal, end fall of is about 249.

EDIT: you must understand when you use LR projectile weapons you're not talking about dps but ALPHA. If I wanted dps I would take Rails/lasers.

brb
Austneal
Nero Fazione
#16 - 2012-11-12 15:05:55 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
To mare wrote:
idk if you meant Tornado instead of hurricane because a hurricane alone at 120 unless he get a lucky shot wont be able to oneshot even a with no skill and no tank



No, I really meant Hurricane. It's possible to make it work and kill frigates with 2 shots max at over 140 while they're thinking like you "what tha...?"
As unbelievable you might think, it works and works very nicely. (one shot bombers at 100km with no tracking issues)
As for Tornado at 140km I'm still in optimal, end fall of is about 249.

EDIT: you must understand when you use LR projectile weapons you're not talking about dps but ALPHA. If I wanted dps I would take Rails/lasers.

A hurricane a 120km would be crap... post a fit and stats please
Zan Shiro
Doomheim
#17 - 2012-11-12 16:18:52 UTC
Hatsumi Kobayashi wrote:
State of the sky: not falling



never was...well only for the sock sniffing isk per hour zealots who do not like the changes to NH,drake or tengu pay rates.

But, imo. if that much into isk per hour they picked the wrong ship for this to make thier billions with in record time. At least the empire whiners anyway, 0.0 will be interesting to see how rougher the solo 10/10's get.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#18 - 2012-11-12 16:24:48 UTC
Zan Shiro wrote:
Hatsumi Kobayashi wrote:
State of the sky: not falling



never was...well only for the sock sniffing isk per hour zealots who do not like the changes to NH,drake or tengu pay rates.

But, imo. if that much into isk per hour they picked the wrong ship for this to make thier billions with in record time. At least the empire whiners anyway, 0.0 will be interesting to see how rougher the solo 10/10's get.


funny how a nullbear thinks himself to be so much better than hibears.

I should buy an Ishtar.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#19 - 2012-11-12 22:35:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Lin-Young Borovskova
Austneal wrote:
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
To mare wrote:
idk if you meant Tornado instead of hurricane because a hurricane alone at 120 unless he get a lucky shot wont be able to oneshot even a with no skill and no tank



No, I really meant Hurricane. It's possible to make it work and kill frigates with 2 shots max at over 140 while they're thinking like you "what tha...?"
As unbelievable you might think, it works and works very nicely. (one shot bombers at 100km with no tracking issues)
As for Tornado at 140km I'm still in optimal, end fall of is about 249.

EDIT: you must understand when you use LR projectile weapons you're not talking about dps but ALPHA. If I wanted dps I would take Rails/lasers.

A hurricane a 120km would be crap... post a fit and stats please


Linky 1

Linky 2

Then light up your brains, fill ship's slots with stuff, and be sure you have related skills to 5

Once this is done, undock and go use it, learn to fly it and realise what you can do with. Lol

You don't have to believe me, just work a little bit then undock and learn to fly/fit it. Cool

EDIT: about my tornado I was actually wrong, end fall off is 280 but my ship can only target for 249 X

2nd Edit: Cane targeting is 161km, OP+FO=148km for 2300Alpha, and yes it works.

brb
Boomhaur
#20 - 2012-11-13 05:39:11 UTC
Well this kind've sucks as I am a Tengu pilot but doesn't make it unbearable. I just have to change my style of play a little bit more.

I no longer have the insane range with fury missiles, but I still have good DPS with rigor rigs as I make the explosion hit I take more bearable. They decreased my sig (thank you) back down while I am still equiping fury missiles so I can now speed tank more. But from what I can see with a quick bit of math I will be getting just a bit over half of my missile range with fury missiles than I currently do. But the DPS is increased a bit with those T2, so for the average PVE lv4 runner I imagine this should be business as usual if your skills are up to par with little change.

Welcome to Eve. Everyone here is an Evil Sick Sadistic Bastard who is out to get you. Anyone who tells you otherwise is either trying to scam you or use you.
12Next page