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Give me a sales pitch for FW
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Garbad theWeak
#1 - 2011-10-19 18:02:42 UTC
I've been intrigued by FW since I started this game -- I even joined FW for a little while, although I struggled to get kills. Since then, I've moved to 0.0, done the blob thing, done the sov wars thing, and gotten a few thousand kills. But part of me still wants to try FW again...

So give me a sales pitch. Why should I join FW? Which factions are the most active now?
Dank Man
#2 - 2011-10-19 18:09:41 UTC
Fight the for the Minmatar! best ships, and your fighting for freedom, against God fearing slavers! Plus the people there are the coolest, they need the most support, and the pvp in the southern region near curse and GW and low sec is the best training grounds around for new pvpers to get their feet wet.
Dark Pangolin
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#3 - 2011-10-19 18:26:28 UTC
FW either currently has or has produced the best 10-50 man gang FCs and pilots. With very few exceptions I have never encountered anything in 0.0 or anywhere else that could go toe to toe with a fleet of FW vets. All we do is fight. All the time. ALL the time. FW is a meat grinder on am epic scale. Fighting over and over and over breeds the kinds of guys that win or quit. At it's best FW is a group of hard core impressive individual pilots and corps, at worst it's care bears in space. I would put a 20 man FW fleet of vets vs any random 40 man fleet. I have. And with very few exceptions I have not been disappointed.

My hat goes off to a few select low sec pie corps who consistently deliver impressive results and fight outnumbered (though not outgunned)
Mekhana
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2011-10-19 18:30:55 UTC
The Gallente, Amarr and Minmatar factions are very active. Caldari has the most people but 90% of them are bears, half of the remaining are bears with teeth.

Vide longe er eros di Luminaire VII, uni canse pra krage e determiniex! Sange por Sange! Descanse bravex eros, mie freires. Mortir por vostre Liberete, farmilie, ide e amis. lons Proviste sen mort! Luminaire liber mas! 
Negativestatus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2011-10-19 18:33:39 UTC
Mekhana wrote:
half of the remaining are bears with teeth.


Well said sir!!
Lugalzagezi666
#6 - 2011-10-19 18:35:42 UTC
Its still one of the best small to med gang pvp enviroments.

But last time i looked into amarr-minnie warzone /2 weeks maybe/ it was really really quiet with neither of sides really active - except mission farmers ofc.
Dark Pangolin
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#7 - 2011-10-19 18:36:35 UTC
Mekhana wrote:
The Gallente, Amarr and Minmatar factions are very active. Caldari has the most people but 90% of them are bears, half of the remaining are bears with teeth.


I believe a bear with teeth is called a Pangolin. But yes...Ugh
Mekhana
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2011-10-19 18:37:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Mekhana
Lugalzagezi666 wrote:
Its still one of the best small to med gang pvp enviroments.

But last time i looked into amarr-minnie warzone /2 weeks maybe/ it was really really quiet with neither of sides really active - except mission farmers ofc.


That's due to new neighbors I bet though.

Vide longe er eros di Luminaire VII, uni canse pra krage e determiniex! Sange por Sange! Descanse bravex eros, mie freires. Mortir por vostre Liberete, farmilie, ide e amis. lons Proviste sen mort! Luminaire liber mas! 
Dark Pangolin
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#9 - 2011-10-19 18:46:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Dark Pangolin
PL moved into Tama now no?
Dark Pangolin
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#10 - 2011-10-19 18:56:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Dark Pangolin
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Lugalzagezi666
#11 - 2011-10-19 19:06:06 UTC
Dunno if they moved, i definitely saw pl nyx try to save pl legion on 3-1 few weeks ago.
Caldain Morrow
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2011-10-20 00:01:43 UTC
Speaking from my experiences a year or so ago. There' usually one or two people looking for to fleet up for a roam most nights and reasonably sized fleets are fairly common (read 5-10 people), If you want targets you know where to get them, Solo combat although not common is still possible. You get super discounts on faction ships and IT's a good way to ram your faction standing through the roof. (you also tank your opposition standing but them's the breaks)
Mekhana
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2011-10-20 02:44:16 UTC
Well for the Gallente militia:

We always have a major fleet running (read 15-35 people). Plus multiple plexing and missioning fleets. Plus whatever your own corp has doing.

We have the highest number of FCs in any militia I believe or at the least the highest number of talented ones. And they are all very cool people.

Gallente Militia players are paranoid but we're very friendly to newbies when it comes to giving advice. Plenty of vets willing to pass on years of know how so you don't have to bust your balls as much they had to in the past.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=24604#post24604

Check my guide for further details. If you join up the mighty Frog Armada come look for me for advice if you need it.

Vide longe er eros di Luminaire VII, uni canse pra krage e determiniex! Sange por Sange! Descanse bravex eros, mie freires. Mortir por vostre Liberete, farmilie, ide e amis. lons Proviste sen mort! Luminaire liber mas! 
Dynast
Room for Improvement
Good Sax
#14 - 2011-10-20 04:21:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Dynast
How do the various militias spread out across EU and US timezones?
Mekhana
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2011-10-20 04:31:12 UTC
Gallente is worse near DT almost no pilots on. It's very steady the rest of the day however. We have strong EU and US crowds.

Vide longe er eros di Luminaire VII, uni canse pra krage e determiniex! Sange por Sange! Descanse bravex eros, mie freires. Mortir por vostre Liberete, farmilie, ide e amis. lons Proviste sen mort! Luminaire liber mas! 
Super Chair
Project Cerberus
Templis CALSF
#16 - 2011-10-20 04:31:21 UTC
Dynast wrote:
How do the various militias spread out across EU and US timezones?


The Caldari militia has an inactive EU TZ, as far as fleets go. If you're not a mindless sheep that needs herded by an FC this shouldn't be an issue for you.

Gallente are active in the EU/US TZ, but seem to drop off in activity in the AU/NZ TZ


That's all I can really comment on the amarr/minie front, i keep hearing from some amarr friends that the minatar US TZ is weak.
Dynast
Room for Improvement
Good Sax
#17 - 2011-10-20 04:33:33 UTC
Thank you, both.

Do you know if standings losses from blowing up faction ships migrate across factions friendly to that faction, or are they limited to that faction? i.e. does Gallente FW lose amarr faction for blowing up caldari ships, or only for getting gallente faction bumped up? I ask because I'm thinking of going back to FW, but tanked the heck out of both my amarr and caldari faction previously and went to a lot of effort to get them up past -5, and really, really do not want to get both down that low again.
Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
#18 - 2011-10-20 05:15:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Damar Rocarion
If you join caldari, you will face:

- Frogs wanting 1vs1 while having their own logis, t3 and falcons on stand-by

- Lazy militia members who have severe issues of not having interest to travel 1j for a fight or to even have proper set of ships fitted and ready to go in their base (aka "I need to visit Jita, give me 40 minutes and I join" syndrome)

- Massive frog blobs whenever a gang of more than 5 Caldari are formed. This blob will then demand "good fights" when you do the reasonable thing and dock up. This is even more of an issue now that couple of corps returned to FW with 100+ members and entered an environment where, at best of times, they have to face up to 30 Caldari people (rest are isk farmers or spy alts).

Mekhana can smack all she likes but truth is that his side will titan bridge on small gangs and drop neutral capitals and logistics on field at the drop of a hat, so that's the limit of "good fights" one can get in FW.

And like everywhere else in Eve, good fights don't exist. Everyone wants a gank, wants to achieve it as brutally as possible, wants to do it without losses and then go boast about it on forums or at least in local. When FW was starting, perhaps it was casual. Nowadays it's as "serious internet spaceships" as everywhere else except we don't have any moongoo or sanctum farming to fight over.

Caldari have more people willing to go out solo and in small gangs and in general, these people are better pilots than the opposition (and less frequently supported by neutral alts) but there is little they can do about the "blob" on their own.
Mehashi 'Kho
New Eden Motion Pictures
#19 - 2011-10-20 07:33:52 UTC
Damar Rocarion wrote:
And like everywhere else in Eve, good fights don't exist.

Derp *wipes drool from mouth*

Ignore the "propaganderp" machine. FW has been great! I'm only a rookie myself but there have been no end of people (not just us frogs) who have taken the time to give me advice, help get my head around tactics, fit ships i am unfamiliar with etc. It is an extremely rare night that i join a group of people and don't leave with a smile on my face or a lesson learned.

Most people are suprisingly casual and fun on comms, and although there will always be roleplaying turds who complain about others taking things seriously while inadvertantly taking it all too seriously themselves i'd be confident to say that is something eve-wide and not exclusive to fw.

My favourite size is around a 10-15man fleet, and these are the most comon engagements I have experienced. There is a lot of potential for solo roaming too, although due to my low skills I havent felt so confident trying that myself yet.

Are you worried about your standings for if / when you decide to leave FW? I only ask as I've seen a couple of people not realise that even with good standings if you are in militia the enemy navy are still going to get you in their high sec. If you have another income that isnt fw missions I would think the standings managable. Doing the fw missions does tank them pretty quick though.

In my own experience things are a little quiet from uptime to around 1800 evetime with just small scale encounters, then really pick up quickly from then as EU guys get back from work and some of the US guys are getting up and logging in. I cant speak for the AU timezones though.
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#20 - 2011-10-20 07:40:51 UTC
Dark Pangolin wrote:
FW either currently has or has produced the best 10-50 man gang FCs and pilots. With very few exceptions I have never encountered anything in 0.0 or anywhere else that could go toe to toe with a fleet of FW vets. All we do is fight. All the time. ALL the time. FW is a meat grinder on am epic scale. Fighting over and over and over breeds the kinds of guys that win or quit. At it's best FW is a group of hard core impressive individual pilots and corps, at worst it's care bears in space. I would put a 20 man FW fleet of vets vs any random 40 man fleet. I have. And with very few exceptions I have not been disappointed.

My hat goes off to a few select low sec pie corps who consistently deliver impressive results and fight outnumbered (though not outgunned)


WTF you are talking about?
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