Player Features and Ideas Discussion

1000+dps at 50km range with HAMs? To achieve that you would need 4 faction BCUs and the rigs would all need to be missile velocity/travel travel time rigs and you would not have enough PG left to fit any tank in the mids. Tengu does have issues but exaggerating to such a level just weakens your argument.

Issue with T3s is that they boost better than Command Ships thus making them obsolete. Perform better than HACs when configured for that role (albeit at a considerable increase in cost, however cost isn't a factor for a lot of eve players and therefore should not be a balancing offset).

I don't think T3s need a major overhaul, just a slight nerf to their per level stats so that when configured for a particular role, they perform on par with the T2 counterpart of that role. That way what you're paying for when you buy a T3 is customizability, not superiority.



Anyway, getting off track. I think lowering the nerf to HMLs was the right thing, HMLs are too strong ATM but the initial proposed nerf was too much. I think the updated proposal is a lot more reasonable. Unsure about the Hurricane nerf. Maybe a tad too heavy. Armor canes are already pretty rare, they'd be non-existant after this nerf I think. Downgrading to 220s for nano canes isn't too bad, we'll have to wait and see I guess.

Actually given the popularity of shield canes, there was a fun niche strategy of baiting some ships with an armor cane into web/scram range and then completly destroying them as they realise you'r armor/brawl fitted. WIll be a bit sad to see that disappear due to fitting nerf.

I don't feel everything needs to be blamed on armor tanking, it's getting old and it's getting applied to places where it shouldn't. Active armor tanking needs a lot of work, but I still find armor buffer to be extremely strong.

I don't get to post that often but I was reading about the changes CCP was making to missiles. I started reading and it makes me think that CCP's best and brightest minds are changing the missile system to operate like gun based weapons. While, I can understand they are trying really to simplify the roles in the game but this approach can't fix everything.

Now, I am mostly a PVE player. I picked to skill up the missile system because it seemed like an easy way to make isk in the game running missions and exploring wormhole space. My most profitable and riskie situation is to engage PVE forces around 70 to 100k while taking massive incoming damage. In reading some of the posts, the Drake range for PVE encounters are being reduced? Which reminds me of my short PVP experience.

From a PVP prospective, the Drake seams on paper a great PVP ship. Yet in practice I found the missile boat to be extremely slow and the locking time to be close to the lock time of a battleship. With shield extenders it's the size of a battleship (one big target). Trying to move it and get in to range to lock a ship solo or in a small gang made for a very frustrating experience. I have since started cross training for other ships for PVP because frankly the missile system is meant purely for PVE.

Now from a PVP defense purpose, I think that CCP started out right by having a nice high slot item for a missile defense system. Yet in practice it wasn't completely implemented with the defender missiles (Our lazy Eve minds would of loved for this to be auto fire). A long time ago the defender missiles should have been upgraded to a laser based missile defense system. This is a sci-fi game and missiles should and never be treated like guns (CCP Really.. "Tracking Disruptors to effect missiles"). Hell, in the 80s people dreamed up "Star Wars" like systems what would disable enemy missiles in flight. Really is it so much to get a solution like a "Aegis Ballistic Missile Defense System" instead of turning missiles into guns? Activate your highslot and it will target and damage hostile missile with in it's range.

I'm sorry but changes to missiles are welcome, but slowly making them a similar weapon system to guns it not the answer. They are different.. They should stay different. Please, Make a missile defense program that highlights what is awesome about the missile system. You could even make a new ship class based on a true missile defense program. Having a few well-placed ships that could knock down most of the DPS from an incoming missile blob I'm sure will be a welcome thing in here. Saying the heavy missiles need to be a new short range item and all missiles be effected by "gun based defenses countermeasures" is just down right lazy.


Edit : Hell, You could even have a Aegis Drone which can knock down some incoming missiles. Anyways, not that my post will be read 300 pages in but hopefully some one will share my view point.

Missiles without any counter is also bad idea.

They do have a counter, Defender missiles.

But no one is bothering to use them so maybe missiles were never really that big threat, or people just don't bother fitting them when they just drop in a neut instead... heck, most boats in eve wont even be able to fit the launchers for them. And they aren't really working too well either so they would need some sort of fix.

Maybe change them to some sort of new anti missile module like NextDarkKnight suggested. Having TD to counter all guns and missiles just doesn't feel right. Having different counters for both adds some more variety in battles, you would have to make a decision to add counter to guns or missiles. If you chose TD and was jumped by missile boat with TD it would be your worst nightmare, or if you chose the counter for missiles it would be a bad day for the missile boat. More variety = good.

If we are just going to ignore the true and also the most logical counter for missiles (Defenders) and they will be affected by TE, TC and TD too why not just continue this simplifying by adding drones to that mix too? Not a good idea and feels plain dumb? well i feel the same thing about them affecting missiles.

I don't want missiles to act just like turrets with slightly delayed damage and different graphics, i'd like them to be unique weapon system that has it's own strengths look at drones for example. Each weapon in the game should have a slight edge if you weren't prepared for them but not too much edge to make any of them too powerful compared to others. Balance is important even though it might be difficult to implement with very different weapon systems.

Please CCP don't take the easy way to balance them.

I agree with NextDarkKnight.

I would prefer the a anti-missile system to be a laser-based system and a defender-missile system. Defender missiles are broken. They could be fixed as everyone knows. However, many races ships can't fit them. With a few T2 exceptions to that rule: ex. Amarr.*

Having a turret-like interceptor system and missile-interceptor system to knock out hostile missiles would make sense. Gallente ships use turrets only. Amarr ships with the exception of T2 variants use turrets only. Minmatar use turrets and launchers. Caldari presently are canonically extremely missile inclined. As such, having two different and complimentary counters to missiles would add diversity and reflect the racial preferences.

On a different subject, I strongly dislike the proliferation of hybrid turrets among caldari ships. It doesn't fit into the Caldari canon well at all. Caldari make use of and are masters of missiles. That should be reflected in their ships and and ship-bonuses. In other words, Caldari ships should be uniquely different but still missile systems. If you want to use hybrids that is what Gallente are for.

*Footnote: I am ignoring the new Destroyers for the sake of this post.

Yes, I have. Have you ever tried plated Abaddon?

About defender missiles: Um, noob question, but how can I fit launchers to my Harbinger?

Yeah, but not a mid slot item. A high slot item to stay in tune with missiles. You pick from a high slot utility item like a neut or decrees your DPS. The counter of course for the missile boats will not to let anti-missile boats between you and the target ship.

(crosses fingers)

As I understand it such a system would have to be a high slot item as I've always been told (I am sorry if I am wrong about this) that high slot items were mounted on the exterior of the hull, with mid slots being buried within the hull and low slots deep inside the ship etc. Sorry if I am not making myself that clear but english is a bit hard for me on times as I am not a native speaker.

just a quick prop:
didn't read all 300 pages ..so maybe someone have similar or same idea already


at least anti missile scripts for TD?
or different module for missiles disruptors*
or something with require some micro management..
just plz don't try to solve the thing with oke.. td's gone affect missiles from now on .. to do that press f1