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It'sNotMyFaultYourMother ThrewYouAway
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-11-11 11:47:40 UTC
I often fly in "small gangs" aka tiny gangs of 3-5 people doing a mix of PVE and PVP. Basically, in an enviroment such as this, bringing a fully fledged logistics cruiser like the Scimitar is a bit of a stretch. It's more then what's recuired and it would also generate a whole lot of heat in any and all combat situations. So what I was thinking was that a Hybrid perhaps would be in order.

Basically it be a T2 Cruiser with:
Stronger tank compared to normal logistics (but larger sig)
About 60% of the DPS of a comparable HAC
Lower range bonus
Medium repairers rather then large
About 40% of the repping power of a normal logistics cruiser

Basically it would be a ship suited to pretty much any small gang around, but with the larger signature and lower range it would be an easy target to take down if the gang size was to increase.
Laerise
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#2 - 2012-11-11 12:12:16 UTC
You can use a t3 for that. Legions can work comparably well if fit correctly (1 large remote + hams) for the role you outlined.
It'sNotMyFaultYourMother ThrewYouAway
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-11-11 12:22:05 UTC  |  Edited by: It'sNotMyFaultYourMother ThrewYouAway
Laerise wrote:
You can use a t3 for that. Legions can work comparably well if fit correctly (1 large remote + hams) for the role you outlined.


Not everyone likes whoring T3's all day long though. More importaintly, they don't get a range bonus. Which means 7km range on your large repairer. To be any effective as a logi-pilot at all you need at least 15-20 unless your entire fleet consists of snipers or something.

I mean seriously, for the price of a Legion I might as well fly a Nano-Niddy xD Better insurance too
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#4 - 2012-11-11 13:56:03 UTC
Wait 3 weeks, fly a Scythe. QED.

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Seraph Castillon
In Control
Neon Nightmares
#5 - 2012-11-11 14:56:48 UTC
Trinkets friend wrote:
Wait 3 weeks, fly a Scythe. QED.


This. With the winter update you will have access to T1 support cruisers and frigates. Until then consider fielding a blackbird instead. It's better to not have your gang take any damage rather than inefficiently trying to repair it.
It'sNotMyFaultYourMother ThrewYouAway
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-11-11 15:22:48 UTC
Seraph Castillon wrote:
Trinkets friend wrote:
Wait 3 weeks, fly a Scythe. QED.


This. With the winter update you will have access to T1 support cruisers and frigates. Until then consider fielding a blackbird instead. It's better to not have your gang take any damage rather than inefficiently trying to repair it.


Not the issue I'm trying to adress though, I don't want a cheap cruiser I want a hybrid. Something that can be usefull regardless of whether it is damage or repairs that is currently recuired.

Maybe a Shield-Transporter-Inverter module would be fun though ;p Like a NOS, for shield or armor.
Kasutra
No Vacancies
No Vacancies.
#7 - 2012-11-11 16:23:37 UTC
Fly a cruiser. Carry logi drones. Profit?

Seriously, I don't think this is a niche that is going to get (or should be) filled with a new, special ship class. Especially a T2 ship class, those aim for more specialization, not less.
Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
#8 - 2012-11-11 17:17:15 UTC
It'sNotMyFaultYourMother ThrewYouAway wrote:

Stronger tank compared to normal logistics (but larger sig)

You realise that Logistics are already capable of fielding comparable local tanks to the HACs right?

It'sNotMyFaultYourMother ThrewYouAway wrote:
About 60% of the DPS of a comparable HAC
Lower range bonus
Medium repairers rather then large
About 40% of the repping power of a normal logistics cruiser

Basically it would be a ship suited to pretty much any small gang around, but with the larger signature and lower range it would be an easy target to take down if the gang size was to increase.


A hybrid ship with similar bonuses to the logistics to rep but without the fitting bonus which allows the fitting of large reps is pretty much what logistics used to be - though the shield logis were able to shoehorn on large reps in practice.

However what you describe is precisely what T3 cruisers are supposed to be, the adaptability to do a number of jobs simultaneously, though with less effect than the specialised ships. All that is missing from a Loki (for example) with the appropriate subsystems and fitting is a portion of the damage or rep you're asking for (because 60% rep on mediums rather than larges would require more reps rather than the fewer which would allow space for the DPS request) and the range bonus.
As the range bonus is the only significant factor I would suggest that a hybrid ship as you describe would render that sort of T3 fitting obsolete and is therefore not required.

Of course there's nothing to stop you fitting guns, launchers and a local tank onto something like a Scimitar, giving another alternative to fulfill something close to your requirements...
It'sNotMyFaultYourMother ThrewYouAway
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-11-11 17:21:06 UTC  |  Edited by: It'sNotMyFaultYourMother ThrewYouAway
Jacob Holland wrote:

A hybrid ship with similar bonuses to the logistics to rep but without the fitting bonus which allows the fitting of large reps is pretty much what logistics used to be - though the shield logis were able to shoehorn on large reps in practice.

However what you describe is precisely what T3 cruisers are supposed to be, the adaptability to do a number of jobs simultaneously, though with less effect than the specialised ships. All that is missing from a Loki (for example) with the appropriate subsystems and fitting is a portion of the damage or rep you're asking for (because 60% rep on mediums rather than larges would require more reps rather than the fewer which would allow space for the DPS request) and the range bonus.
As the range bonus is the only significant factor I would suggest that a hybrid ship as you describe would render that sort of T3 fitting obsolete and is therefore not required.

Of course there's nothing to stop you fitting guns, launchers and a local tank onto something like a Scimitar, giving another alternative to fulfill something close to your requirements...


Yeah, I have to admit I remember something like that. Having to use faction modules on my Scimitar back when I flew one and fairly sure I used a few guns too.

And yeah, maybe T3 cruisers are indeed supposed to be just that. But in reality they're only suited for spider tanking because of the lack of a range bonus.
Alua Oresson
Aegis Ascending
Solyaris Chtonium
#10 - 2012-11-12 09:08:40 UTC
Fly a domi with large armor reps. Conversely you can fly one of the new T1 logi cruisers with a few guns. You can also fit guns on a T2 logi if you wanted to (I don't know why you would).

http://pvpwannabe.blogspot.com/
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#11 - 2012-11-12 14:25:16 UTC
It'sNotMyFaultYourMother ThrewYouAway wrote:
Seraph Castillon wrote:
Trinkets friend wrote:
Wait 3 weeks, fly a Scythe. QED.


This. With the winter update you will have access to T1 support cruisers and frigates. Until then consider fielding a blackbird instead. It's better to not have your gang take any damage rather than inefficiently trying to repair it.


Not the issue I'm trying to adress though, I don't want a cheap cruiser I want a hybrid. Something that can be usefull regardless of whether it is damage or repairs that is currently recuired.

Maybe a Shield-Transporter-Inverter module would be fun though ;p Like a NOS, for shield or armor.



Then there's nothing doing all the things you ask.

There's no ship in game keeping huge rep range, decent dps, awesome tank making your coffee and bringing you cake earlier in the morning.

You can use logistics drone bay to support some dps but then you loose the flexibility to rep also armor or shields without complement of logistic drones to your main rep power.

brb
Last Wolf
Umbra Wing
#12 - 2012-11-12 15:55:52 UTC
I feel like this would be an awesome Idea for new tech 2 battlecruisers or battleships. Instead of yet another cruiser hull

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Gabrielle Lamb
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2012-11-12 16:37:11 UTC
Last Wolf wrote:
I feel like this would be an awesome Idea for new tech 2 battlecruisers or battleships. Instead of yet another cruiser hull


Gotta agree with this one, the big problem though is if the battlecruisers in question end up becoming unbeatable spidertankmobiles. IMO a HAC with bonused medium Logistics drones would be a whole lot more interesting then this. Like an Ishtar with Logistics-Sentries? O:o
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#14 - 2012-11-12 22:27:38 UTC
Last Wolf wrote:
I feel like this would be an awesome Idea for new tech 2 battlecruisers or battleships. Instead of yet another cruiser hull



That would just reinforce the need of numbers or if you prefer, make huge numbers absolutely unstoppable.
The game doesn't need a ship replacing what supercaps were a couple months ago, it needs specialised ships requiring players specialisation to be 100% effective and offer versatile options for players thinking out of the box like T3's are.

brb