EVE General Discussion

Not if you look at all the other ships which have fitting options. Even the old school haulers have high slots and turret points. If the freighter should stay true to the EVE sandbox thing, it ought to have fitting options. Players should be able to decide wether they want tank, speed or some combination. There would probably be an outrage if the mining frigate had no fitting options and came prepacked with mining lasers.

Wow, troll-a-thon in high gear today. Think I might have saw one halfway intelligent counter argument buried in all the pixelated defecation. So I'm going to break ranks and actually discuss the OP instead of just being another cyberturd in the punchbowl.

Mining frigates are useful in the same context as mining cruisers. It gives a stepping ladder for miners to start with, before moving to cruisers and finally into barges. It seems like a good idea but you are correct in pointing out that this generally goes against the idea of "tieracide" - which oddly enough still applied to actual barges (now each has a dedicated role) but not to mining frigates or cruisers. So I can see why someone would find that to be a step backward, because unless the mining frigates and cruisers had some specific niche to occupy other than their size, that indeed does sound like going back to tier-based thinking. Maybe CCP should liven it up a bit and expand upon their roles more? After all, the barges got rebuilt to be more than linear tiers - they have specific jobs. What's so special about one mining frigate/cruiser over another?

As for freighters, many people (myself included) have complained about the lack of fittings as well. It is generally well known that with industrial transports, pilots must chose between more cargo or more protection, and this fits well with EvE's general philosophy of risk vs reward. Freighters do not have that option, and options are what keeps EvE vibrant. When freighters run into problems (gankers, bumping, whatever) they have no options on how to deal with it. They can't decide to trade cargo for tank or vice versa. Yet they get blamed when "foolish behavior" gets them killed? How does one blame someone else for something they have no say in? So yes, freighters need fittings, just like everything else. It's overdue. Some may say that freighters are working fine. Really? Have you asked the freighter captains that, or are we just asking the people who prey on them? I'll go with what the freighter captains have to say first, thank you.

It would amaze me that people would ever vote against having more options in EvE, but then I realize that there are people who are simply reflexively conditioned to troll any idea that isn't their own without any conscious though required. One does not expect poetry from an insect.

Maybe instead of putting sand in the box they should leave it empty? In fact, why Even have a box?

Perhaps instead of space CCP could make a giant "nothing zone" and we can figure out its space or whatev's.

OP is on to something. :pokerface:

I'd say this reply deserves an apt bump?

Stepping stone or not depends on the skill requirements. It seems that CCP do intend to require mining frigate 4 before you can hop into mining barges. So its a stepping stone. However i noticed they added +2 warp core strength on the mining frigate which i disagree with. Arent you suppose to fit this yourself?

Im not sure i understand

Other ships' ability to fit stuff does in no way change the fact that freighters are fine, nor does the lack of fitting options on freighters make them any less sandbox:y.

No, you're not. You're supposed to look at the ship, see what it can do, and then either fit it with stuff that makes it suited for the task at hand or decide that it will not fit that task regardless and pick a different ship.

The ships are tools that you choose to use to shape your sandbox experience. They are not the sandbox — your choices are.

Because then they'd be able to bring capships into highsec.

The problem is that you have nerfed them for no good reason. They are already optimised for the task at hand and can only be made worse by adding fitting options.

Because they have no place there unless they, too, got nerfed into uselessness (or unless all of highsec was turned into low or nullsec).

OMIGAD!

EVE is no sandbox! CCP introduced PI to interact with Planets? How unfair is that?! We're given no chance to figure out how to use command centers correctly!!!11