EVE General Discussion

Thank God!

The mistake does not mean these ships influence the balancing, but it causes other troubles. Tech 1s and Tech 2s is enough after the ship balancing. And now, many Tech 2s still haven't been built, it includes 4 frigates, 4 destoryers, 8 battle cruisers and 4 battle ships at lest. If it finished, do you feel the ship's number is too large? EVE's future can't be built on more and more new ships. Tech 3s add the game's complication and can't improve EVE system's integrity. It's the problem.

Tbh there's some good discussion going on here, and some valid points raised.

(Including the fact it would be a bad idea for me to balance ships, because the Megathron would be horridly overpowered, able to fit 600 neutron blaster cannons, and to hell with everything else )

The fact of the matter is that you can argue the point that a lot of hulls are overpowered in EVE. Sometimes you just find that sweet spot, with an awesome fitting and it makes a hull feel imbalanced.

For example, for a long time back in the day the Domi was overpowered as hell, but it wasn't due to the ship, it was due to the combination of NOS + ECM, then more recently we've had a FOTM (more like FOTY) with the Hurricane, because it's very versatile, and now the Tornado, because of the same fundamental benefits to the hull.

I think the main problem right now lies not with the T3 hulls or subsystems themselves, but what people can fit to them and the way some modules work. I suppose the interaction of certain subsystems with eachother could be looked into as well too.

T3 itself doesn't seem to bad to me personally, but when you combine that with, just for example, gang links that work off grid and a covert ops subsystem, plus the ability to make it nigh on unprobeable by screwing with sensor strength, it makes for a really off balance fitting, not due to the hull itself, but due to what can be fitted to the hull with a certain arrangement of subsystems.

Personally I'm all for T3, and I'm all for more T3 in various classes of ships, not just cruisers. I'd love to see frigates, battleships and battle cruisers too, but they'd need to fill a useful niche that isn't already catered for.

I'd also love to see Tech 3 industrials with modular cargo holds too, so you could choose what size hauler you wanted by adding compartments, and could even have unscannable smuggling compartments, and specific compartments for hauling assembled ships.

There are so many potential options for T3, and so many things we could do with them, but then again, this whole post is just my personal opinion and in no way a reflection of what might be in the pipeline, just to be clear.

I would like to point out that , T3 Boosting ships + Racial boost from a titan, is overpowered out the yahoo..


Let's take an Armor Fleet for instance...

Erebus as Fleet command with Level 5 skills, including Titan 5. Thats 7.5% more armor per level of Gallente Titan. So in total, the titan gives out 37.5% More armor. Throw in T3 6 Link Tech 3 booster, and oh my god, you're stats go up the yingyang. I've seen Abaddons, Zealots get up to 200k eHP or higher, and thats with gank/buffer fits.


I think Tech 3 ships should have a more defined role.


Also, tech 3's have a disadvantage to them: You can't put subsystems on in a POS Hangar, I believe you can swap them out, but fitting a new Tech 3 HAS to be done in a station. Also the loss of a Level 5 skill sucks, trust me, I've lost my fair share of tengus. Warped into a C5 Anomaly, and my cloak was deactivated by accident. That's a 3 - 6 day skill train if you lose one. It isn't fun.


I believe there are many things that need to be balanced, and I wish CCP would balance them altogether.


So in retrospect, Tech 3's do have their place, and as EVE evolves, so should the mechanics, roles, and what not. I believe CCP should balance all the Frigates at once.

They should balance T1/T2 at the same time, ignore Faction ships until a later date, after T1/T2 + capitals have been balanced.


But to sum this up; Tech 3's have their advantages, and disadvantages. I don't agree with some, i.e. lasers having an instant reload time, while the other 3 races have to have reload times. I don't agree with the nerfing of Heavy Missiles. The Tengu is fairly well balanced, you can get some mean dps (My WH Fit gives me 600 dps with a 2.1k dps tank, but its worth a bit of isk). I don't agree with Tech 3's having interdiction nullifiers. I don't agree with any Covert Ops ship having their cloaking device active 24/7. There should be probes, module, pos module or station module that decloaks you for 2 minutes. There is a lot to be done, and expanded upon, and CCP knows this. Not to mention, EVE is a sandbox game. CCP only steps in when a bug is found, or something is broken. Though, they do have a nasty tendency to nerf the f*** out of something till it is useless.

In EVE, now you can produce 240+ types of ship. The number does not including present and award ships. If the number continuously increases, I feel terrible. It's too complicated.

You just need to make decisions.

If they would be you'd have balanced them decently by now instead of waiting 2 years (and counting).

T3 is what happened when a CCP developer started playing Battletech and said "Omnimechs... we should have these in EvE!"

Just highlighting those parts, since your reading comprehension seems to be slightly malfunctioning and it made you think he said something completely different to what he actually said.

You're welcome.

wow that's one heck of a convoluted insult. 7/10 for trying to make your self sound intelligent

But i suggestive you read what was said again as you appear to have misunderstood. Basically, i was asking if t3 isn't better than t2, what's the point?

T3's are just as easy to kill as any other ship providing you use the right tool for the job.