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The obnoxious mentality of human kind..

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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#21 - 2012-11-11 01:07:14 UTC
I'll get to writing up a cook book right away!

I'm in it for the money

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Agaetis Byrjun Endalaust
#22 - 2012-11-11 01:20:03 UTC
if there's some form of intelligent life over there there must be some forum discussion about "hey those Terrian mofos spotted us let's go and burn them atmosphere before they reach us"

and you don't want this to happen right?

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digitalwanderer
DW inc
#23 - 2012-11-11 01:28:10 UTC
Agaetis Byrjun Endalaust wrote:
if there's some form of intelligent life over there there must be some forum discussion about "hey those Terrian mofos spotted us let's go and burn them atmosphere before they reach us"

and you don't want this to happen right?




Given the probable gravity there as it's built like earth but 7x the mass, we'd need powered exosuits just to even walk there anyhow....I'd be scared shitless of what might be living there just for that alone, as if( huge if) there is something resembling humans there, they'd make the winners of mister olympia bodybuilding contests look like scrawny like kids by comparison.



Imagine bigger species living in the oceans there like a whale....On earth it can weigh 30 tons, other there it would weigh 210 tons so it's just a slight difference really...Shocked
Alara IonStorm
#24 - 2012-11-11 01:31:10 UTC
digitalwanderer wrote:

Depends on what you qualify as sentience though....For instance whales and dolphins are known to communicate between eachother and dolphins actually have a larger brain than humans( relativee to their body size), and since nature and evolution in general isn't one for wasting resources if they're not needed, then there's got to be a reason why a dolphin has such a large brain but we don't know the reason....Nor do we know what they say to eachother for that matter.

Many other species live in large groups because they know they're safer that way when it comes to the odds of becoming dinner for tigers or lions or crocodiles, or hyenas or sharks....That requires some very basic sentience to increase the odds of survival...

Or species that stay with their offspring for extended periods of time until they grow up and can fend for themselves...

Yeah but we live with all that stuff on earth.
digitalwanderer
DW inc
#25 - 2012-11-11 01:46:02 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:

Yeah but we live with all that stuff on earth.



Hence why there's things on earth that we still don't fully understand yet like the dolphin and whale example, yet both are being hunted down to near extinction because some hold on to the belief that organs extracted from either species will cure them of something that makes them sick, or simply give them a bigger erection....



So with said planet 44 light years away, and us with all our problems right now i don't think that we'll have to worry about colonizing any other planet anytime soon.....We got ourselfves into this mess, we got to get ourselves out of it even if it means making very difficult decisions that we don't want to make.



I am impressed by the scientists that found this planet, specifically that it's 44 light years away and they managed to conclude that it rotates on it's own axis so it has a day and night cycle, wich is pretty impressive given the distance involved.
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#26 - 2012-11-11 01:59:41 UTC
digitalwanderer wrote:
I'd be scared shitless of what might be living there just for that aloneShocked

Well I wouldn't worry about it. There is no life there. Better off embracing the Fermi Paradox rather than to be caught up in all this alien life, global warming, macro evolution, it's all just bunk to get you to embrace globalism. I'm more worried about the governments of this world that punish the producers, especially the producers of food for human consumption which has been happening for far too long, too much intentional starvation of our fellow man for ill purposes. Aliens are fun and fantasy for entertainment purposes, but just not rational.

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digitalwanderer
DW inc
#27 - 2012-11-11 02:30:17 UTC  |  Edited by: digitalwanderer
Webvan wrote:
Well I wouldn't worry about it. There is no life there. Better off embracing the Fermi Paradox rather than to be caught up in all this alien life, global warming, macro evolution, it's all just bunk to get you to embrace globalism. I'm more worried about the governments of this world that punish the producers, especially the producers of food for human consumption which has been happening for far too long, too much intentional starvation of our fellow man for ill purposes. Aliens are fun and fantasy for entertainment purposes, but just not rational.



Fermi paradox has many variations to it and assumes we have the technology to communicate with whatever is out there( if something is out there, even if we limit ourselves to just our galaxy at 100 000 light years across), and actually expect an answer back within our lifetimes.


Even if we sent a radio signal to that planet they just discovered it would take pretty close to 100 years for it to get to the planet, get understood by whatever intelligent life there may be( if any), and sent back to us.....The answer won't come quickly and we need a whole new level of technology to make it in a lot less time.


As for food production and starvation, how much does the population have to increase before the planet simply can't produce enough food for everyone....We already use pesticides, insecticides, fertilizers and even genetically modified fruits and vegetables that grow faster in less time, and the same goes for animals we grow wich are packed with growth hormones to make them develop quicker too.


If you want totally natural, home grown food with nothing of the above, you'll have to grown it yourself but it will take extra time for it and the crop yields won't be as good......I remember once a long time ago( about 30 years ago in fact) eating a chicken dinner made by my farther's aunt wich had a small farm back then, and all that chicken ate was whole grain, lettuce, carrots wich also were naturally grown.....It was the best chicken i ever ate in my whole life, nothing in supermarkets or restaurants even compares to it.




So if we're doing this with 7 billion on the planet, how many more do you think it can sustain in realistic terms.....10 billion, perhaps 15 billion people wich we might reach well before the end of this century perhaps?...The planet can only handle so much as it's resources are finite and we're consuming them faster than they can regenerate even right now, so you can imagine when we're twice as many
digitalwanderer
DW inc
#28 - 2012-11-11 02:31:25 UTC  |  Edited by: digitalwanderer
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#29 - 2012-11-11 02:41:07 UTC
I'm kind of hoping that other worlds are more advanced and waiting for us to get our act together before making contact lest they have to deal a heinous smackdown and make us into house pets.


Since that planet has greater mass, if there is intelligent life there, the physical strength of the beings is going to be huge, meaning bigger weapons and armor.


Still, no doubt the OP has valid concerns because earth has two features that make these concerns possible:

1. no shortage of idiots who think that anyone not like them is either too dumb (the left) or too evil (the right) to survive and therefore needs to be ruled by them, and hence they will go like cannon fodder to war.
2. people will flock to that planet to live there and fight the natives rather than take up arms against the establishment that makes our present world such a shithole. That's human nature and why I would justify any existing alliance in space ready to squash us flat if we discover warp drive before cleaning our own house first.

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stoicfaux
#30 - 2012-11-11 02:55:51 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Since that planet has greater mass, if there is intelligent life there, the physical strength of the beings is going to be huge, meaning bigger weapons and armor.

Or due to gravity issues, the intelligent life is actually a hive-mind of quintrillions of ants.

Given how odd the flora fauna of Australia or the ocean bottoms is, independently evolved life on another planet could be unimaginably different.

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digitalwanderer
DW inc
#31 - 2012-11-11 03:18:49 UTC  |  Edited by: digitalwanderer
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
I'm kind of hoping that other worlds are more advanced and waiting for us to get our act together before making contact lest they have to deal a heinous smackdown and make us into house pets.


Since that planet has greater mass, if there is intelligent life there, the physical strength of the beings is going to be huge, meaning bigger weapons and armor.


Still, no doubt the OP has valid concerns because earth has two features that make these concerns possible:

1. no shortage of idiots who think that anyone not like them is either too dumb (the left) or too evil (the right) to survive and therefore needs to be ruled by them, and hence they will go like cannon fodder to war.
2. people will flock to that planet to live there and fight the natives rather than take up arms against the establishment that makes our present world such a shithole. That's human nature and why I would justify any existing alliance in space ready to squash us flat if we discover warp drive before cleaning our own house first.



We wouldn't need warp drive anyhow, as there's already nuclear thermal reactors wich became a possiblity once we had nuclear power plants, and the last reaserch on them stopped in the 1980's.....Ignite a few of those for roughly 5 hours and the ship wolud doing 1 million km/h per hour wich is enough to travel to any point in our solar system in a reasonable amount of time( between a few days to a few weeks for the longest trips).


It's basically 30x faster than using conventional rockets and it's sitting on the shelves with nothing being done to either improve the design to make it faster still while using less fuel.
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2012-11-11 04:13:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
digitalwanderer wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
I'm kind of hoping that other worlds are more advanced and waiting for us to get our act together before making contact lest they have to deal a heinous smackdown and make us into house pets.


Since that planet has greater mass, if there is intelligent life there, the physical strength of the beings is going to be huge, meaning bigger weapons and armor.


Still, no doubt the OP has valid concerns because earth has two features that make these concerns possible:

1. no shortage of idiots who think that anyone not like them is either too dumb (the left) or too evil (the right) to survive and therefore needs to be ruled by them, and hence they will go like cannon fodder to war.
2. people will flock to that planet to live there and fight the natives rather than take up arms against the establishment that makes our present world such a shithole. That's human nature and why I would justify any existing alliance in space ready to squash us flat if we discover warp drive before cleaning our own house first.



We wouldn't need warp drive anyhow, as there's already nuclear thermal reactors wich became a possiblity once we had nuclear power plants, and the last reaserch on them stopped in the 1980's.....Ignite a few of those for roughly 5 hours and the ship wolud doing 1 million km/h per hour wich is enough to travel to any point in our solar system in a reasonable amount of time( between a few days to a few weeks for the longest trips).


It's basically 30x faster than using conventional rockets and it's sitting on the shelves with nothing being done to either improve the design to make it faster still while using less fuel.


I prefer the "take up arms against the establishment" part.... they have you so completely outclassed that's funny Big smile

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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#33 - 2012-11-11 05:00:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Webvan
digitalwanderer wrote:



Fermi paradox has many variations to it and assumes we have the technology to communicate with whatever is out there( if something is out there, even if we limit ourselves to just our galaxy at 100 000 light years across), and actually expect an answer back within our lifetimes.


Even if we sent a radio signal to that planet they just discovered it would take pretty close to 100 years for it to get to the planet, get understood by whatever intelligent life there may be( if any), and sent back to us.....The answer won't come quickly and we need a whole new level of technology to make it in a lot less time.


It points out that if there were alien life, the probability is too great that either they would have already contacted us directly, or that we would have already detected alien artifacts even within our own solar system. And that even some of these artifacts could be viewable from our solar systems such as alin systems using dyson spheres constructed by class II or class III civilizations. This also takes into consideration the important ingredient of "time". If the universe is as old as speculated, then advanced civilizations would have already risen long before ours and we would see or hear of these ancient civilizations, they would be expansive as well as detectable as previously mentioned. Even if they came to extinction, their foot print would remain.

That is even if the universe is that old. We are just too small to know imo. Our science is rudimentary and often driven by non-scientific influences, manipulative, political and that of purist academia with an agenda backed by awarded grants to those that comply to the determined general census. Yet there is hope as not all fall to the lure of huge manipulative grants, though are often ostracized for non-compliance yet pursue the field of understanding. But thanks to those that are fielding in quantum mechanics and digital physics, I think we are far closer to the truth than ever before.

digitalwanderer wrote:

As for food production and starvation, how much does the population have to increase before the planet simply can't produce enough food for everyone....We already use pesticides, insecticides, fertilizers and even genetically modified fruits and vegetables that grow faster in less time, and the same goes for animals we grow wich are packed with growth hormones to make them develop quicker too.

If you want totally natural, home grown food with nothing of the above, you'll have to grown it yourself but it will take extra time for it and the crop yields won't be as good......I remember once a long time ago( about 30 years ago in fact) eating a chicken dinner made by my farther's aunt wich had a small farm back then, and all that chicken ate was whole grain, lettuce, carrots wich also were naturally grown.....It was the best chicken i ever ate in my whole life, nothing in supermarkets or restaurants even compares to it.

So if we're doing this with 7 billion on the planet, how many more do you think it can sustain in realistic terms.....10 billion, perhaps 15 billion people wich we might reach well before the end of this century perhaps?...The planet can only handle so much as it's resources are finite and we're consuming them faster than they can regenerate even right now, so you can imagine when we're twice as many
Like I said, it's regarding governments, as I do believe that the planet could easily support two or even three times the current population. But due to corruption, it's not currently possible, nor allowed.

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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2012-11-11 05:02:17 UTC
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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#35 - 2012-11-11 05:08:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Webvan
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
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lol yeah it didn't like my link to google with the search phrase "the universe is digital". Replaced it with a wikipedia link.

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Ranzabar
Doomheim
#36 - 2012-11-11 06:33:15 UTC
digitalwanderer wrote:
http://vr-zone.com/articles/new-potentially-habitable-planet-discovered/17792.html


It's the latest discovery of earth like planets, and this one seems the closest of the bunch by being exactly at the right distance of the sun and it also rotates on itself, creating a day/night cycle but it is 44 light years away and 7 times earth's mass.



The thing that pisses me off is that there might be life there, and even intelligent life, and we already assume that the planet is just there waiting for us to colonize it once we figure out how to travel such a long distance....It would be funny if it isn't available and the locals put up a fight to keep it that way.


On what moral and legal authority to we have to take it from them.....Assuming we have the technological edge to do so.



Watch Avatar again. This won't go well.

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Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#37 - 2012-11-11 07:32:17 UTC
I'm sure any Extra-terrestrial life would be truly impressed with humanity if they were reading this. Roll

There is nothing to indicate that the planet actually has life on it; only indication that it is in the right zone to have that possibility. Apparently, some 4-6 of these planets have been discovered, with this one being some 44 LY away, and by no means properly identified as anything but a large planet. They may not even know what type of surface environment it has, or even have the ability to speculate on it.

I'm sure if someone did a proper model, they could actually determine potential atmosphere, (if any), composition, etc.. They haven't so far as I am aware. Either way, they indicate the Star is an Old Dwarf, which means it is entering or nearing the last phases of it's cycle.

Our Sun is considerably younger than that, which means that this Star is potentially capable of having a habitable, life-bearing planet that is much older than ours. That also means that any life there has had much longer to evolve and develop technologically.

Anyway.. 44 LY = 432'457'525'486'800 km. That's approximately 1.23 million years at 40'000 km/h. Better hope we can bend space. Smile

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#38 - 2012-11-11 08:14:19 UTC
Ranzabar wrote:
digitalwanderer wrote:
http://vr-zone.com/articles/new-potentially-habitable-planet-discovered/17792.html


It's the latest discovery of earth like planets, and this one seems the closest of the bunch by being exactly at the right distance of the sun and it also rotates on itself, creating a day/night cycle but it is 44 light years away and 7 times earth's mass.



The thing that pisses me off is that there might be life there, and even intelligent life, and we already assume that the planet is just there waiting for us to colonize it once we figure out how to travel such a long distance....It would be funny if it isn't available and the locals put up a fight to keep it that way.


On what moral and legal authority to we have to take it from them.....Assuming we have the technological edge to do so.



Watch Avatar again. This won't go well.


So in the future mankind is capable of interstellar travel but not capable of one little orbital bombardment.
Or, lacking one single mass accelerator mounted on their spaceships, loading their cargo bays with a few tons of crushed rock then getting into position above any local resistance and simply opening said cargo bays.

Added points if the commander does so while saying "Hey you blue freaks, guess what, christmas comes early this year!"

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#39 - 2012-11-11 09:05:48 UTC
Nerath Naaris wrote:
Ranzabar wrote:
digitalwanderer wrote:
http://vr-zone.com/articles/new-potentially-habitable-planet-discovered/17792.html


It's the latest discovery of earth like planets, and this one seems the closest of the bunch by being exactly at the right distance of the sun and it also rotates on itself, creating a day/night cycle but it is 44 light years away and 7 times earth's mass.



The thing that pisses me off is that there might be life there, and even intelligent life, and we already assume that the planet is just there waiting for us to colonize it once we figure out how to travel such a long distance....It would be funny if it isn't available and the locals put up a fight to keep it that way.


On what moral and legal authority to we have to take it from them.....Assuming we have the technological edge to do so.



Watch Avatar again. This won't go well.


So in the future mankind is capable of interstellar travel but not capable of one little orbital bombardment.
Or, lacking one single mass accelerator mounted on their spaceships, loading their cargo bays with a few tons of crushed rock then getting into position above any local resistance and simply opening said cargo bays.

Added points if the commander does so while saying "Hey you blue freaks, guess what, christmas comes early this year!"


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Appono Astos
#40 - 2012-11-11 15:50:09 UTC
Mars Theran wrote:
There is nothing to indicate that the planet actually has life on it; only indication that it is in the right zone to have that possibility. Apparently, some 4-6 of these planets have been discovered


The 'goldilocks zone' idea is a relic of the early 50's. When you take all the things we've discovered since into account, the number of planets with the potential for life explodes.

Why groups which are alleged to be experts of all things space are still clinging to concepts from 1953, and believing planets have to be as similar to Earth as possible to support life, is anyones guess.

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