EVE General Discussion

At first, I want to say that my national langue is not English and this is my first topic. So, you'll find many errors in my writing. You can point it straight. I'll glad to see it because it's good for my English.

Let's review a part of history.

"Wormhole" is a creative version. It provides a group of new ships called Strategic Cruiser. These ships need a new way to produce. The production need new material and the material only can be acquired from a new place - Wormhole.

If these things are the all, it's means nothing. Tech 2 is a reinforced Tech 1. It is reasonable. However, it obviously can't be accepted if Tech 3 is only a reinforcement of Tech 2. Tech 3 must have some new elements.

Now, we know what the new elements are. Strategic Cruiser can be a reinfored Heavy Assault Ship; Strategic Cruiser can be a Recon Ship with lower disruption skill but more HP and DPS; Strategic Cruiser can be a Field Command Ship also. Of course, if you want to explore, Strategic Cruiser can live in NPC sovereignty alone. I feel the last thing is the developer's main purpose because of the “Interdiction Nullifier” subsystem.

Well, The question is appeared.
Do we need a reinfored Heavy Assault Ship? I think I needn't. It's no help to EVE system.
Do we need a Recon Ship or a Command Ship like that? Maybe need, but why not create a new Recon Ship or Command Ship? It's easier.
So,I feel the last function is the main reason for creating such a ship. Hmm, I don't know what I should say.

I really want to know CCP's opinion about Tech 3. Regretful or proud?
At last, thanks for CCP provide such a good game. I'm looking forward to retribution and ship balancing's furture.

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Some explainations:
The mistake does not mean these ships influence the balancing, but it causes other troubles. Tech 1s and Tech 2s is enough after the ship balancing. And now, many Tech 2s still haven't been built, it includes 4 frigates, 4 destoryers, 8 battle cruisers and 4 battle ships at lest. If it finished, do you feel the ship's number is too large? EVE's future can't be built on more and more new ships. Tech 3s add the game's complication and can't improve EVE system's integrity. It's the problem.

They need to be lowered so that they arnt better than a specialised ship that is designed entirely with that role in mind.

They are nice, and teh fact you can go out and do great things in them is superb, tehy are expensive and rightly so, but they shouldnt boost better than a CS, they shoudlnt recon better than a recon, they shouldnt tank better than a battleship with teh sig of a cruiser.. They need changing so that they stay great and worth teh price, BUT dont make other ships irrelevant. The swiss army knife after all can do a great many things, but it doesnt do them better than tools designed exactly for that role.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2162946#post2162946

Look at my post #14... Also i agree with you. T3 boost ships unification.

Cheers

Hopefully when they get teircided they will be more in line with cruisers rather than doing everything elses job short of capitals.

I do have to wonder if the reason a lot of players have a problem with Tech 3 is because they are made out of a Wormhole, rather than because they fill a specialized role a little better at 3-5 times the price.

Tech 2 > Tech 1
Tech 3 > Tech 2

Seems a pretty standard formula to me, and it worked for Tech 2s, although I wasn't around for the introduction and it may have involved an equal amount of complaints.

It costs more, it's more effective, and the risk and potential loss involved is greater. Null Fleets might have 'swarms' of them, but they also have swarms of Supercaps that they fly around like they're Cruisers too. People say Nullsec is unprofitable, yet that 10% of EVE has more ISK than twice the remaining 90% combined. Probably more than that, but they've mostly been playing longer too.

Point being, the loss is minor for them and they have plenty of ability to protect those fleets too.

So back to my original thought: Is it really just because Wormholes--those solitary and lonely dominions--are the only means of producing them?

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...aside from all that, I do believe Tech 3 ships are far to easy to get in to. Currently, I think the training time to get into a Tech 3 is considerably lower than a Tech 2. There are a lot of skills required to get to level 5 yes, but they are all around versatile skills and not directly related to the Tech 3 itself. Personally, I look at it as Cruiser 5 being the entry requirement which is sort of low.

Maybe add to that Advanced Spaceship Command 5, or add a new skill or 2. Maybe increase the rank of the Subsystem skill and increase the entry requirement for those, though personally I think the skills required to get those are reasonable for the most part.

New skill ideas:

Strategic Spaceship Command - varying levels required for access to different Tech 3s, and its own prerequisites, such as Spaceship Command 5 and Thermodynamics 3.

Subsystem Operations - Requires Science 5 and Infomorph Psychology 4

Just a thought, but something is needed to raise the entry requirement where skills are concerned. It makes sense that that would involve Science skills and also skills related to linking with the ship.

Maybe another Infomorph skill that reduces the potential memory loss on losing the ship by 2-5% per level and is required to access the ships. Couple that with an increase to the rank of Subsystem skills, or move the loss from them to a skill like Strategic Spaceship Command, or even make it random between those various skills.

They need a higher cost of entry and greater time investment either way.

QFT!

too awesome to the detriment of every other ship which is unfortunate because they have great potential to add something unique to the game of being a true multi-purpose ship.
Hopefully the re-balance will do this they should be a support ship at its heart not some uber battleship in a cruiser disguise.

However i feel in order for this to happen and still remain viable the cost of the ship must be brought in line with T2 cruisers or thereabout.

Faction fitting fleet Tengus is an option most of us opt not to take. Standard T2 fit works just fine for what we do.

Tech III needs the New York Yankees...

Because it is going to take an entire team to nerf-bat them into balance...

The only mistake here is your posting.