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A message to the Amarr Militia : Don't give up.

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Anya Lunebleu
Royal Order of Security Specialists
#21 - 2012-11-03 11:56:56 UTC
Dan Carter Murray wrote:
Anya Lunebleu wrote:
Cearain wrote:
Not a bad post.

One issue though. The effect of the farmers was really pretty clear. Amarr had only minutes at tier 4 before the minmatar farm came back from caldari space. Metro was plexed back with ungodly speed. Within 48 it was all pretty much half contested.



This is what usually happens when Minmatar cash out. They flip the systems, bump all or most of them to a tier 5 and, while the amarr are plexing those bumped systems to try to shorten the Minmatar cashout, the Minnies continuously inject lp to the ihubs to prolong the tier 5. In other words, the minmatar use the lp they have earned to maintain their tier 5 cashout so folks get the opportunity to cash out.

What I saw happen on the amarr side when Nulli gifted them with the tier 4 cashout. Nulli flipped the systems, bumped the ihubs to a tier 5. Meanwhile all the amarr ran to their lp stores to cashout all the lp they were hording since the start of inferno. The ihubs were not continously injected with lp to prolong the cashout. What really happened was most of them cashed out and got the f*** out of the amarr militia.



gifted them?

stop posting please since there isn't an IQ test required to post.


Yup, I phrased it correctly. You just disagree.
Major Killz
inglorious bastards.
#22 - 2012-11-03 15:14:07 UTC
Schalac wrote:
Major Killz wrote:
Naw! They've lost COMPLETELY. Time to pick up your panties gentlemen, dust yourselves off and runaway...

Eve online is a played out. I'm just waiting for 2 mmo's to be released that will replace Eve-online. Warhammer 40k Online and Mechwarrior Online. One of those was scuttled and the other is still to be released. The later of the 2 has pvpers DREAM.

You realize that MWO isn't an MMO right? It's a battle arena, and 4oK is now just a basic co-op at best...


All massive and multiplayer to me v0v

Some are persistent and others aren't would be the main difference.

[u]Ich bin ein Pirat ！[/u]
Kazim Scumling
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#23 - 2012-11-03 20:36:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Kazim Scumling
-- Edited as it doesn't matter--
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#24 - 2012-11-04 21:22:13 UTC
Anya Lunebleu wrote:
Cearain wrote:
Not a bad post.

One issue though. The effect of the farmers was really pretty clear. Amarr had only minutes at tier 4 before the minmatar farm came back from caldari space. Metro was plexed back with ungodly speed. Within 48 it was all pretty much half contested.



This is what usually happens when Minmatar cash out. They flip the systems (if needed, if not they work with what they already have), bump all or most of them to a tier 5 and, while the amarr are plexing those bumped systems to try to shorten the Minmatar cashout, the Minnies continuously inject lp to the ihubs to prolong the tier 5. In other words, the minmatar use the lp they have earned to maintain their tier 5 cashout so folks get the opportunity to cash out.

What I saw happen on the amarr side when Nulli gifted them with the tier 4 cashout. Nulli flipped the systems, bumped the ihubs to a tier 5. Meanwhile all the amarr ran to their lp stores to cashout all the lp they were hording since the start of inferno. The ihubs were not continously injected with lp to prolong the cashout. What really happened was most of them cashed out and got the f*** out of the amarr militia.




I think you misunderstood what I meant. The minmatar farm came over from caldari space after we hit tier 4. So the systems were amarr when they came over. But they were all plexed by farmers so fast that within 48 hours all of metro was contested over 50%.


BTW amarr without nulli could likely have hit tier 4 in the old system and certainly would have been able to hit it (if not tier 5) had measures been taken to prevent the alt farmers.

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Corporate Management
Apocalypse Reign
#25 - 2012-11-05 00:14:59 UTC
Anya Lunebleu wrote:
Cearain wrote:
Not a bad post.

One issue though. The effect of the farmers was really pretty clear. Amarr had only minutes at tier 4 before the minmatar farm came back from caldari space. Metro was plexed back with ungodly speed. Within 48 it was all pretty much half contested.



This is what usually happens when Minmatar cash out. They flip the systems (if needed, if not they work with what they already have), bump all or most of them to a tier 5 and, while the amarr are plexing those bumped systems to try to shorten the Minmatar cashout, the Minnies continuously inject lp to the ihubs to prolong the tier 5. In other words, the minmatar use the lp they have earned to maintain their tier 5 cashout so folks get the opportunity to cash out.

What I saw happen on the amarr side when Nulli gifted them with the tier 4 cashout. Nulli flipped the systems, bumped the ihubs to a tier 5. Meanwhile all the amarr ran to their lp stores to cashout all the lp they were hording since the start of inferno. The ihubs were not continously injected with lp to prolong the cashout. What really happened was most of them cashed out and got the f*** out of the amarr militia.

There is so much horrible in this post it is laughable. The minnis don't 'continuously' inject LP to lengthen their tier 5. They just have so many damned farmers that they hit tier 5 multiple times coinciding with the different regions per cashout.
Almity
In Exile.
#26 - 2012-11-05 15:51:27 UTC
For the record I.Law(mostly Dashia) leveled up every system south of Metro during the Nulli push.

As to pushing Huola, we needed Kourm as a jump off point so that had to be done first. After we took Kourm many of us were burnt out on plexing. I think LNA has found the same issue. Taking a major system is very isk and time intensive. Hard to keep people logging in after weeks of plexing.

Ill keep bringing the fights when I can but honestly we have been having a blast doing small gang/solo stuff. I.Law broke 1k kills for the second time ever last month. That was with very few big fights.

War zone control has been on the back burner for many of us for a long time. With the recent changes offensive plexing is much much slower than defensive. 15 hours in Dal witout missing a plex took it from 16 to 40%. When I logged back in 6 hours later it was already down to 25%.

If Amarr ever wants to make a come back in terms of war zone control we need a much larger Euro TZ presence.
OT Smithers
A Farewell To Kings...
Dock Workers
#27 - 2012-11-06 17:09:38 UTC
CCP Eterne wrote:
Deleted some personal attack posts. Come on guys, act mature.


You must be new here. Welcome to sociopath's online.
Paladinhunt
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2012-11-07 02:02:47 UTC
Fear the tribes.
Xeno Fears
Nomads of Republic
Smile 'n' Wave
#29 - 2012-11-07 19:09:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Xeno Fears
Almity wrote:
War zone control has been on the back burner for many of us for a long time. With the recent changes offensive plexing is much much slower than defensive. 15 hours in Dal witout missing a plex took it from 16 to 40%. When I logged back in 6 hours later it was already down to 25%.

If Amarr ever wants to make a come back in terms of war zone control we need a much larger Euro TZ presence.


yes, you do need. when our corp just started, an year ago, most of us were month-newbies. undocking was a big deal for us: stress, but terrific

great times: the grass was greener, womans - younger and FW went better balanced

now when we are roaming docked local in Kam call us "blobers", "damn minnie-farmers" etc
same time we are bored because we have nothing, absolutely nothing to shot at EU-TZ
believe me, that the big problem in our corp atm

so i wonder why do you blame us in this situation: we are not happy, we want get back in the days when it was challenging

for many of us its also RP (a bit! :) )
we choose not the shop prices, not the region, not the ships
we choose the Republic


deplexing Dal cant be successed
we have been involved in operation to turn into vulnerable one of caldari systems, and so what, well organized format-fleets from our side, grind an hour after hour - as result all our efforts were useless faced by just couple of afk condors (US-TZ which we cant cover)

in Dal, we have more than couple of slashers, so i dont envy you if u want to did a try


one more month it ll be just like that and im starting to form up russian-amarr alliance and promote it all available to me ways :) ofc im joking, but in every joke there is only a part of joke

so long live the Empress
seriously
do something
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#30 - 2012-11-07 20:06:18 UTC
Xeno Fears wrote:
yes, you do need. when our corp just started, an year ago, most of us were month-newbies. undocking was a big deal for us: stress, but terrific....

Things were a lot more lively before CCP starting throwing their tainted LP into the pool and making alts multiply like algae during a warm summer. Problem now is that all the alts are still in play as it were so plexing will likely never be what it was .. a bloodbath.
Almity wrote:
...If Amarr ever wants to make a comeback in terms of war zone control we need a much larger Euro TZ presence.

Why should we (FW, not Amarr specifically) be forced to be able to blob 23.5/7 when the brain-trust (see what I did there?) of null do not? CCP insists on allowing complete TZ segregation 'out there' by way of timers on just about everything to bypass the need for wider coverage yet they seem content to do the exact opposite for FW.

The arguments have been rummaging around for quite some time, back then it was due to the wonderful mechanic lovingly known as "the DT shuffle" that effectively denied anyone not around for the 1-2 hour window post DT to participate in plexing .. they saw fit to minimize the impact of it by tripling plexes needed and making spawns happen throughout the day.

So without further ado, may I present step two: The Naval Communications Jammer.
Effect: Reduces plex spawn frequency by 50% (more?).
- Bought with LP from the usual peddler in all things militia.
- Deployed on/near bunker. Anchoring/online time roughly similar to BCU's. Pitiful EHP but immune when fully deployed.
- TTL is limited 4-8 hrs after which it poofs all on its own. Can be offlined but not unanchored and only one can be anchored in a given system at a time.
- Maybe add a location based anchoring modifier based on WZC tier so that a steamroller doesn't spam them in own systems using alts .. remember, can be killed while still anchoring.

Why it will work:
With defensive LP *spit* the plexing wars are at a standstill as the alt-hordes can still contribute to their masters wallets so it will have marginal impact on the zone as a whole.
A militia intent on a system will no longer have to come back and see all their work undone by 2 alts in gunless frigs.
A militia intent on a system will still have to be aware and 'active' to prevent the enemy from taking up the 'slot' and thus slowing the advance .. optimal is to scout/blob 3-4 hrs before peak to prevent hostile anchor, deploy own but not online at peak and again when peak ends so almost a full 12 hrs attention span, far more demanding than what the null sheep herds live with but then they are .....
We'd still have to buff up in an adjacent TZ, but the issue of two sides of the globes and never the twain shall meet would be somewhat mitigated.

Anyhoo, just a brainfart. Carry on.
Silence iKillYouu
Girls Lie But Zkill Doesn't
Pandemic Legion
#31 - 2012-11-10 19:23:24 UTC
It would help if amarr didn't have minmatar farming alts.

EVE Mail me i dont check forums often.
Dr Sheng-Ji Yang
Doomheim
#32 - 2012-11-10 21:31:57 UTC
Quote:
It would help if amarr didn't have minmatar farming alts.

No we haven´t. Moar tears have left long time ago. They are farming now caldari down with their alts :P
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