Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The game is full of revolting, self-entitled little babies. They usually cry any time someone suggests their actions should have consequences. Here we see people wanting to engage in risk-free bumping, and will cry until the cows come home if you suggest bumping should have any risk and/or consequences.

The "aggression or security loss for bumping" solution is idiotic, of course, but it's amusing how many of the reactions against it here are based not on the ill-thought out nature of the solution, but rather suggesting that it's somehow horrible that people who harass other players for profit or amusement should have to face some consequence or risk while doing so. It's yet another example of the common argument: "EVE is supposed to be about risk, so I should be able to harass you risk-free, or else you'll be doing things without much risk". Somehow, the "EVE is about risk" mantra only applies to the other player; if you're the "bad guy", you're supposed to get a free pass to do so without consequence, and the "good guy" is somehow self-entitled, morally deficient, or just doesn't understand what EVE is all about if they suggest that this is unfair.

The "bad guys" tend to be far more whiny, self-entitled, and risk-averse in all these discussions, but never fail to repeat the "risk mantra" without any trace of recognition of the irony.

I was wondering what all these risk-averse little creeps were going to do once Retribution hits and they can't ninja-loot mission runners or can-flip newbies without some risk to themselves ("omg she might come back in her Condor!"). I suspect we'll see a bumper crop of bumpers soon...

What, so in comes an active tanked ship to bump miners, so not only do the miners get F**KED about for God knows how long, they get blown up too? Fantastic.

Let me guess, this should also not draw attention from concord, because we all know bumps are accidental...

Ok, their introducing a safety button, so you cannot 'accidentally' shoot anyone and things like that.

Lets add one more called 'COLLISION CONTROL'. Think of it as the ship being pre-programmed to avoid collisions. Ships will actively try to avoid collisions with any object. If a bump happens with this on, then its accidental and nothing comes of it. If its off, then your responsible and lose standing. Bumpers can turn it off if they want, but will lose standing for bumping. Give it a 10 second cooldown to take effect, so bumpers dont just turn it back on at the last second.

How about that?

"safety" button: In addition to this being a very clumsy feature, it still seems very unlikely to work anyway. What happens if safety is on and I run into somebody? Do I just magically lose all momentum and nothing happens to them? Do I bounce off at some comical speed while they don't move at all? Do I pass through them like a ghost?

Any of those possibilities would A) look really stupid and detract significantly from the immersion of the game, and B) be exploitable in some ridiculous way elsewhere in the game. For instance, if you stop completely, then this would make it easier to suicide gank industrials: get in their path, they hit you with safety on, and a frigate will suddenly stop a freighter dead in its tracks. AND the freighter wont be able to move past the frigate without completely reorienting itself, all the while vulnerable to corpmates gathering for the kill, or better weapons locks, or whatever.

"collision control": Sure, that might work just fine, if everyone who actually plays the game was willing to play at 1/2 the speed they do now, while the CCP servers do 100x as many pathing calculations per second, just so that miners can spend more time reading a book on the couch and LESS time playing EVE... Other than the fact that that's completely backward in every way, it would be perfect.