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Miners of The Proveldtariat Rejoice!

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Anslo
Scope Works
#281 - 2012-11-09 20:41:56 UTC
Nathalie LaPorte wrote:
here I am, dropping that line of discussion like it's hot, yes :)


Yet you still formulated a response. And I'm contradictory? Roll


Quote:
The quote that I already provided was from September 20, 2012. :) (About how the AI revamp will make PVE less afk-able and more like PVP fits) If I'm not mistaken, that's less then 10 years old :)


Well so it is! Alright, you're on that point. Smile Apologies!

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Mr Pragmatic
#282 - 2012-11-09 22:34:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Pragmatic
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Tesal wrote:
All the miners are doing is validating the New Order griefers. It gives them MORE of a reason to bump people because they now have an opponent. The best way to defeat the New Order is to ignore them. If they are ignored they will get bored in a couple of months and quit bumping.


Miners have been saying the since the beginning.

Mr Pragmatic wrote:
AFK mining is a viable form of game play. Sometimes you just have to DEAL WITH IT.


Oh, but we are. We are dealing with it.


You are failing at it. you think you are stopping the afk mining, but Eve is a big universe, and you can't stop us.

Super cali hella yolo swaga dopeness.  -Yoloswaggins, in the fellowship of the bling.
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#283 - 2012-11-09 23:02:00 UTC
Bing Bangboom wrote:

I've been counterbumped, had 4 gank attempts on me, been wardecced, been petitioned numerous times. I've bumped orbiters, anglers, nestlers. I've been cursed in four languages. The only thing that has stopped me has been the payment of the 10,000,000 ISK and once, a better offer from my wife. So, the best weapon you have is pay up or send pleading messages to my wife (although pleading doesn't really work that well).

BBB

Big smile No, pleading doesn't work that well on my end either. But that's a topic for another thread....
Aside from the petitioning, I'd say these unknown members of the proveldtariat have shown commendable resistance. Continue, miners, with the counterbumping, gank atttempts, wardeccing, and cursing in multiple languages!
KrakizBad
Section 8.
#284 - 2012-11-10 01:41:44 UTC
I'm still waiting for my listing, don't make me actually have to work for it.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#285 - 2012-11-10 02:52:24 UTC
seeing a lot of talk about how super balanced an anchor would be but no talk of why miners should be immune to bumps beyond 'they don't want to pay 10mil because of their pride'

suck it up

if you can do something to protect yourself you do it, pride or no

the New Order has all the authority as should matter to you embodied in their stabbers
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#286 - 2012-11-10 03:10:29 UTC
Mr Pragmatic wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Tesal wrote:
All the miners are doing is validating the New Order griefers. It gives them MORE of a reason to bump people because they now have an opponent. The best way to defeat the New Order is to ignore them. If they are ignored they will get bored in a couple of months and quit bumping.


Miners have been saying the since the beginning.

Mr Pragmatic wrote:
AFK mining is a viable form of game play. Sometimes you just have to DEAL WITH IT.


Oh, but we are. We are dealing with it.


You are failing at it. you think you are stopping the afk mining, but Eve is a big universe, and you can't stop us.


One system at a time.

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#287 - 2012-11-10 03:24:22 UTC
I like reading blogs, even the ones from enemy organisations that are terrible posters. As such, I found this:

Anslo wrote:
In general, a miner can be expected to have more ISK available than a miner bumper (unless, of course, the bumper is James 315 himself, who is stupidly rich from his ‘shares’ scam).


To sum up my thoughts on this; Rebel leader claims miners have more ISK than bumpers, thinks 24B makes someone stupidly rich.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#288 - 2012-11-10 03:56:43 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
seeing a lot of talk about how super balanced an anchor would be but no talk of why miners should be immune to bumps beyond 'they don't want to pay 10mil because of their pride'

suck it up

if you can do something to protect yourself you do it, pride or no

the New Order has all the authority as should matter to you embodied in their stabbers

The thing is, you see
Quote:
if you can do something to protect yourself you do it, pride or no

If CCP can do something to protect you, whine to them, even if you get trolled in GD.

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Zak Fey
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#289 - 2012-11-10 06:02:37 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
I like reading blogs, even the ones from enemy organisations that are terrible posters. As such, I found this:

Anslo wrote:
In general, a miner can be expected to have more ISK available than a miner bumper (unless, of course, the bumper is James 315 himself, who is stupidly rich from his ‘shares’ scam).


To sum up my thoughts on this; Rebel leader claims miners have more ISK than bumpers, thinks 24B makes someone stupidly rich.

How can he even support such claims without even having a monocle?
Mr Pragmatic
#290 - 2012-11-10 07:04:28 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Mr Pragmatic wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Tesal wrote:
All the miners are doing is validating the New Order griefers. It gives them MORE of a reason to bump people because they now have an opponent. The best way to defeat the New Order is to ignore them. If they are ignored they will get bored in a couple of months and quit bumping.


Miners have been saying the since the beginning.

Mr Pragmatic wrote:
AFK mining is a viable form of game play. Sometimes you just have to DEAL WITH IT.


Oh, but we are. We are dealing with it.


You are failing at it. you think you are stopping the afk mining, but Eve is a big universe, and you can't stop us.


One system at a time.



Sorry, there is simply too many of us filthy casuals. With out aim and direction. Your organization is nothing compared to our pure chaos.

Super cali hella yolo swaga dopeness.  -Yoloswaggins, in the fellowship of the bling.
Nathalie LaPorte
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#291 - 2012-11-10 07:18:52 UTC
Mr Pragmatic wrote:

Sorry, there is simply too many of us filthy casuals. With out aim and direction. Your organization is nothing compared to our pure chaos.


First sentence: true.

Second sentence: true

Third sentence: Um, you do know that all doing the same simple thing, afk, is the opposite of chaos, right? Literally, the opposite.
Mr Pragmatic
#292 - 2012-11-10 07:39:58 UTC
Nathalie LaPorte wrote:
Mr Pragmatic wrote:

Sorry, there is simply too many of us filthy casuals. With out aim and direction. Your organization is nothing compared to our pure chaos.


First sentence: true.

Second sentence: true

Third sentence: Um, you do know that all doing the same simple thing, afk, is the opposite of chaos, right? Literally, the opposite.



We have no organization, so we are dispersed amongst the universe. Any unified effort of the bumpers is in vain.

Super cali hella yolo swaga dopeness.  -Yoloswaggins, in the fellowship of the bling.
Nathalie LaPorte
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#293 - 2012-11-10 07:48:23 UTC
Mr Pragmatic wrote:
Nathalie LaPorte wrote:
Mr Pragmatic wrote:

Sorry, there is simply too many of us filthy casuals. With out aim and direction. Your organization is nothing compared to our pure chaos.


First sentence: true.

Second sentence: true

Third sentence: Um, you do know that all doing the same simple thing, afk, is the opposite of chaos, right? Literally, the opposite.



We have no organization, so we are dispersed amongst the universe. Any unified effort of the bumpers is in vain.


I'm fairly certain that the bumpers will just ignore all the ice miners who are so disorganized that they took their ice-mining fitted mackinaws to places other than ice fields.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#294 - 2012-11-10 09:12:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:

If you didn't realised yet a lot of ganks and this "awesome" bumping thing is done by alts from large mining organisations and botters then you missed something.


The first part about ganks and bumps being carried out by alts of large mining organisations is feasible and tbh would come under the heading of logistical warfare, removing the competition is a completely valid tactic.

Accusing the gankers and bumpers of being the alts of bots is another matter entirely, you madam have a bad case of the Dinsdales. That is entirely a step to far into the world of tinfoil and conspiracy

Quote:
CCP would never do it but I'm almost sure we'd be laughing out loud if they would give us access to those accounts names and figure out how many are on 1st/2nd offence or account ban for botting.

I once laughed when I listened to CCP Shreegs saying in some key note he got one go the most known players in the game using bots.

Now this was kinda interesting, sadly CCP haven't decided yet to put a tag "name it and shame it" on those accounts or all of the accounts related to the same person.
Probably half of those posting here would suddenly disappear.

CCP: name and shame !! DO IT NAO !!


I to would like to see CCP name and shame botters for 2 reasons, the first would be to make sure that everybody knows who's been skewing the market with a flood of cheap goods, the second would be to laugh in your face as none of the gankers or bumpers stop posting.

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Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#295 - 2012-11-10 11:57:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Lin-Young Borovskova
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:

If you didn't realised yet a lot of ganks and this "awesome" bumping thing is done by alts from large mining organisations and botters then you missed something.


The first part about ganks and bumps being carried out by alts of large mining organisations is feasible and tbh would come under the heading of logistical warfare, removing the competition is a completely valid tactic.

Accusing the gankers and bumpers of being the alts of bots is another matter entirely, you madam have a bad case of the Dinsdales. That is entirely a step to far into the world of tinfoil and conspiracy


Absolutely not, I'm doing exactly the same thing you do: assume
You're assuming every miner is a bot, I assume every bumper is another alt of some botter/exploiter already ban at least once.
So if you guys have trouble with your own medicine, there's nothing I can do about it but name and shame, but CCP doesn't want me to have that power.

Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Quote:
CCP would never do it but I'm almost sure we'd be laughing out loud if they would give us access to those accounts names and figure out how many are on 1st/2nd offence or account ban for botting.

I once laughed when I listened to CCP Shreegs saying in some key note he got one go the most known players in the game using bots.

Now this was kinda interesting, sadly CCP haven't decided yet to put a tag "name it and shame it" on those accounts or all of the accounts related to the same person.
Probably half of those posting here would suddenly disappear.

CCP: name and shame !! DO IT NAO !!


I to would like to see CCP name and shame botters for 2 reasons, the first would be to make sure that everybody knows who's been skewing the market with a flood of cheap goods, the second would be to laugh in your face as none of the gankers or bumpers stop posting.


So can you send me all their characters list/accounts so I can verify your sayings? -you clearly underestimate some players "toupet", and I met a couple of those ban several times for exploiting having alts in that organisation.

So yes, petition CCP for it please so that we can have a nice laugh. Doesn't hurt, but at least forums will get cleaner for some time.

brb
Fabulous Rod
Darkfall Corp
#296 - 2012-11-10 16:07:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Fabulous Rod
Pipa Porto wrote:
Fabulous Rod wrote:
why does anyone bother to argue with pipa porto? Its like arguing with a radio. one of those people who won't admit they are wrong and are wrong constantly and his own stupid personal definitions for everything.

Hey pipa, try to find a game you dont feel the need to constantly complain about. You obviously don't understand what EVE is supposed to be.


EVE is supposed to be only what I say it should be.

Kristoffer Touborg/CCP Soundwave wrote:
It isn’t really hard, but I think there are customers that you can lose in a good way and there’s customers that you can lose in a bad way. If people come in and fundamentally don’t like EVE Online, then I think that might be a good way of losing customers. EVE isn’t for everyone. I wish it was, but the reality is that there are some people who just enjoy playing another game more. And that’s not really that bad.

http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/06/27/eve-devs-our-game-is-the-mmo-equivalent-of-running-inferno-solo-with-a-naked-barbarian/



EVE is supposed to be a lot of things, you narrow minded derp. And while you were selectively choosing only those defintions that fit your argument and ignoring common sense, you forget a key component that EVE has ALWAYS been billed as: a SANDBOX, a game that is supposed to allows MULTIPLE PLAY STYLES. EVE is obviously not a dark and harsh world for everyone, and it couldn't survive if it was. High sec is high sec for a reason, kid. EVE is mostly carebears and **** pvpers who suck at other pvp games. Its not a game where the sheep are supposed to line up for the brainless wolves that play EVE like you want it to be. Now that CCP is finally fixing the game, all the brainless fools are afraid to lose the only form of "pvp" in which they can actually get kills, if you can even call miner ganking pvp. Only the awful high-sec pvpers are crying.

Way to be that endlessly arguing fool who never realizes when hes wrong.

Really, those quotes you gave more accurately describe a game like Darkfall than EVE. Why don't you take Soundwaves advice and try to find a game you don't feel the need to constantly cry about. Its moronic to think that aggressors should have all the advantages in EVE. Now get back to your basement!
Kashmyta
HC - gizmos Gizco
#297 - 2012-11-10 16:11:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Kashmyta
Which one of you ordered chilli then? Shocked
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#298 - 2012-11-10 16:32:27 UTC
Fabulous Rod wrote:
Really, those quotes you gave more accurately describe a game like Darkfall than EVE. Why don't you take Soundwaves advice and try to find a game you don't feel the need to constantly cry about. Its moronic to think that aggressors should have all the advantages in EVE. Now get back to your basement!


TL;DR: I don't care what the devs say. They may design and code the game, but dammit I'm the authority on what is and isn't acceptable in Eve. RESPECT MAH AUTHORITAH, CCP!

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#299 - 2012-11-10 16:40:40 UTC
I was reading minerbumping.com today and noticed that our protagonist here, Anslo, is getting into the bumping business himself.

While I applaud his effort to help our economy, I can't help but notice the copycat nature of Anslo's "resistance" movement. Honestly Anslo, if you wanted to bump miners you should have just joined the New Order. There is no real precedent for bumping code-compliant miners because they have committed to actually playing this game.

Do you get any monetary gain out of bumping code-compliant miners or are you simply griefing for griefing's sake?

CCP has no sense of humour.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#300 - 2012-11-10 16:44:50 UTC
Fabulous Rod wrote:
EVE is a SANDBOX which is why I support removing emergent gameplay

Straight