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Kurj Valdoria
Guiding Hand Social Club
#41 - 2011-10-20 00:35:22 UTC
White Tree wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:
White Tree wrote:
I see that you are smug about people losing their jobs. I bet you feel really clever about it.


You are one of the people that called for CCP relocate assets, and I was one of the people against it. And I was chastised heavily for being against it.

This is an eve is dying/not dying thread, which is what i was being smug about. Keep the political stuff in the political thread.



The CSM did not call for people to be fired. The CSM did not call for people in community to slander their favorite games developer publicly and loudly over an optional vanity cash shop.

CCP are absolutely not free from blame here, but we, as members of the community, need to support CCP in this time of uncertainty. Anything less than this is selfish, disgusting and petulant infantile behavior and I will not associate myself with it.

I intend to use what little power I have to promote this game moreso than I ever have before.




You can stop kissing ass now.
Alara IonStorm
#42 - 2011-10-20 00:35:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
Cipher Jones wrote:

In other words Eve is NOT dying.

No it isn't, it is just going in a "New Direction".

Glad to be back.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#43 - 2011-10-20 00:40:34 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:

In other words Eve is NOT dying.

No it isn't, it is just going in a "New Direction".

Glad to be back.


Down is a direction. Just saying. P

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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:

In the orient, if a company suffers financially, their first step is to slash management salaries because they are not leading the company in the right direction. Retrenchment is a last resort and those employees are first for re-hiring if things improve.

In the West? ...

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#44 - 2011-10-20 00:55:06 UTC
White Tree wrote:
I am the voice of reason in the CSM


For what it's worth White Tree, you have my support .

You came to my attention during the 'incident' , and I have been following you with interest since.

Mr Epeen Cool
Lipbite
Express Hauler
#45 - 2011-10-20 02:03:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Lipbite
Now I see even less reasons to pay for multiple subscriptions because latest news smells like potential bankruptcy thus payments cannot be considered as type of investments (to resell characters later) anymore.

I feel like we'll face massive characters sales wave and prices drop.
Apollo Gabriel
Kill'em all. Let Bob sort'em out.
Ushra'Khan
#46 - 2011-10-20 04:35:58 UTC
They are HIGHER TODAY ... tomorrow though we're not sure.
Always ... Never ... Forget to check your references.   Peace out Zulu! Hope you land well!
Pesky LaRue
Mercatoris
#47 - 2011-10-20 04:49:47 UTC
RougeOperator wrote:
Pesky LaRue wrote:
TRONLEONEONBLADE wrote:
I sold a char for 18 bill and used it to buy enough GTC's to keep my main account going for almost next 2 years. :)
so, you demonstrated your dissatisfaction with CCP's course of action by giving them another 18 bill in GTC's?

You really showed them. Way to stick it to the man.



If he sits on them and never cashes them in it actually messes up accounting for CCP.

he already bought them. CCP already got their money. he can bronze them and stick them on his virtual mantelpiece, it doesn't matter.
Apollo Gabriel
Kill'em all. Let Bob sort'em out.
Ushra'Khan
#48 - 2011-10-20 04:55:39 UTC
Pesky LaRue wrote:
RougeOperator wrote:
Pesky LaRue wrote:
TRONLEONEONBLADE wrote:
I sold a char for 18 bill and used it to buy enough GTC's to keep my main account going for almost next 2 years. :)
so, you demonstrated your dissatisfaction with CCP's course of action by giving them another 18 bill in GTC's?

You really showed them. Way to stick it to the man.



If he sits on them and never cashes them in it actually messes up accounting for CCP.

he already bought them. CCP already got their money. he can bronze them and stick them on his virtual mantelpiece, it doesn't matter.



Or blow them up in a manticore
Always ... Never ... Forget to check your references.   Peace out Zulu! Hope you land well!
Mahadiva
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#49 - 2011-10-20 05:44:11 UTC
Does an account that runs only on PLEX even count as a "sub", I wonder?
Azahni Vah'nos
Vah'nos Family
#50 - 2011-10-20 06:07:37 UTC
White Tree wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:
White Tree wrote:
I see that you are smug about people losing their jobs. I bet you feel really clever about it.


You are one of the people that called for CCP relocate assets, and I was one of the people against it. And I was chastised heavily for being against it.

This is an eve is dying/not dying thread, which is what i was being smug about. Keep the political stuff in the political thread.



The CSM did not call for people to be fired. The CSM did not call for people in community to slander their favorite games developer publicly and loudly over an optional vanity cash shop.

CCP are absolutely not free from blame here, but we, as members of the community, need to support CCP in this time of uncertainty. Anything less than this is selfish, disgusting and petulant infantile behavior and I will not associate myself with it.

I intend to use what little power I have to promote this game moreso than I ever have before.

Was it or was it not the CSM that was ramping up discontent against CCP with media outlets recently or did my eyes decieve me? Your moral highground seems a little shaky.

Blaming the community for what has occured is complete hypocrisy, when the CSM was literally drawing sabres on the direction EVE was going.

And regarding the cash shop, I don't believe it has any place in a sanbox game. It would seem that the CSM have failed to recognize that there actually is a number of people who do not believe it should be in EVE either, does that mean you have failed the EVE players with your flippancy regarding the NEX store?

Nex (Cash Shop) / Aurum - removing sand from the sandbox since Incarna. Currently the only use for aurum is to buy virtual items in the in-game store, but Cockerill expects to expand its uses in the future.

Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#51 - 2011-10-20 12:17:39 UTC
Mahadiva wrote:
Does an account that runs only on PLEX even count as a "sub", I wonder?


Paid is paid - someone paid real life money to bring that PLEX into the game therefore an account run off of PLEX is a paid account.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#52 - 2011-10-20 12:22:09 UTC
Mahadiva wrote:
Does an account that runs only on PLEX even count as a "sub", I wonder?
Yes. It's active and paid for and not a trial. That's the only useful measure. Sure, it may end in a month, but so might a sub.
Rico Minali
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2011-10-20 12:24:49 UTC
Its sad that people who play this game have to be such a negative bunch of assholes so often to be frank.

I love Eve, I am glad CCP are focusing on Eve more, I am happy with the way things are going. If you are not happy the solution is very very simple, Im sure you can work it out for yourselves.

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
Ciar Meara
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#54 - 2011-10-20 13:31:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Ciar Meara
White Tree wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:
White Tree wrote:
I see that you are smug about people losing their jobs. I bet you feel really clever about it.


You are one of the people that called for CCP relocate assets, and I was one of the people against it. And I was chastised heavily for being against it.

This is an eve is dying/not dying thread, which is what i was being smug about. Keep the political stuff in the political thread.



The CSM did not call for people to be fired. The CSM did not call for people in community to slander their favorite games developer publicly and loudly over an optional vanity cash shop.

CCP are absolutely not free from blame here, but we, as members of the community, need to support CCP in this time of uncertainty. Anything less than this is selfish, disgusting and petulant infantile behavior and I will not associate myself with it.

I intend to use what little power I have to promote this game moreso than I ever have before.



Well it seems somebody is being truly naive then. Anyone doubting that something like this would happen is not really living in the real world.

A refocusing of assets can only mean (at least some) people getting fired, people moving and people retasked, you can't retask an entire studio branch nor can you justify the cost of putting people to work in America when the main teams are based in Iceland and shanghai (eve and dust).

That at least some of the community management would get slapped was to be expected as well but I myself would not have expected it to cut this deep.Personally I had put my money on Pann and Zymurgist getting fired. Pann for totally misreading the situation and then compounding a few errors into an even bigger summer of discontent. Zymurgist for doing the same on a smaller level.

I distinctly remember myself thinking that those two where in trouble if the dime on this hole thing would drop our way (the players who protested). Especially Pann who even in her latests talks showed that she herself learned nothing from the mistakes a whole bunch of people at CCP made. But these are personal opinions and I in no way wished for this to happen. Zymurgist especially and I guess Pann (if you consider the past) are both part of EVE in a profound way.

A CSM not realising this is just a sign that they should stick to internet politics and not venture out into real world decision making. I hope other people in the CSM ded realise this and this is why they treaded carefully

- [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow]
Anax Walsinghami
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#55 - 2011-10-20 14:35:39 UTC
Rico Minali wrote:
Its sad that people who play this game have to be such a negative bunch of assholes so often to be frank.



Yet if players didn't complain, CCP would never have refocused their attention back to Eve. While it is sad 20% cuts in payroll is going to happen, perhaps just perhaps, CCP will improve Eve to where people will re-activate their accts. Let us hope that is the case. I think CCP has finally realized that their best advertising dept. are the players themselves.
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#56 - 2011-10-20 18:33:58 UTC
Anax Walsinghami wrote:
Rico Minali wrote:
Its sad that people who play this game have to be such a negative bunch of assholes so often to be frank.



Yet if players didn't complain, CCP would never have refocused their attention back to Eve. While it is sad 20% cuts in payroll is going to happen, perhaps just perhaps, CCP will improve Eve to where people will re-activate their accts. Let us hope that is the case. I think CCP has finally realized that their best advertising dept. are the players themselves.


Yes, because everyone was complaining about WiS before it happened.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Reverand Pastor
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#57 - 2011-10-20 18:38:49 UTC
Rico Minali wrote:
Its sad that people who play this game have to be such a negative bunch of assholes so often to be frank.

I love Eve, I am glad CCP are focusing on Eve more, I am happy with the way things are going. If you are not happy the solution is very very simple, Im sure you can work it out for yourselves.


I think its funny that when people whined about sov mechanics, rockets, or anything else the counter was quit. Guess what? People are quitting and now there is instability and lay-offs and here you are still suggesting the same notion that got us into this in the first place. just wow
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#58 - 2011-10-20 18:41:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Akrasjel Lanate
Can i have your stuff ?

Thats my message to all unsubing the game.

Please mail me.

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude
Reverand Pastor
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#59 - 2011-10-20 18:49:09 UTC
I hope eve gets back on track but at this rate all this virtual stuff you pride yourself on will be of no use to anyone including yourself
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#60 - 2011-10-20 18:55:58 UTC
Ciar Meara wrote:
White Tree wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:
White Tree wrote:
I see that you are smug about people losing their jobs. I bet you feel really clever about it.


You are one of the people that called for CCP relocate assets, and I was one of the people against it. And I was chastised heavily for being against it.

This is an eve is dying/not dying thread, which is what i was being smug about. Keep the political stuff in the political thread.



The CSM did not call for people to be fired. The CSM did not call for people in community to slander their favorite games developer publicly and loudly over an optional vanity cash shop.

CCP are absolutely not free from blame here, but we, as members of the community, need to support CCP in this time of uncertainty. Anything less than this is selfish, disgusting and petulant infantile behavior and I will not associate myself with it.

I intend to use what little power I have to promote this game moreso than I ever have before.



Well it seems somebody is being truly naive then. Anyone doubting that something like this would happen is not really living in the real world.

A refocusing of assets can only mean (at least some) people getting fired, people moving and people retasked, you can't retask an entire studio branch nor can you justify the cost of putting people to work in America when the main teams are based in Iceland and shanghai (eve and dust).

That at least some of the community management would get slapped was to be expected as well but I myself would not have expected it to cut this deep.Personally I had put my money on Pann and Zymurgist getting fired. Pann for totally misreading the situation and then compounding a few errors into an even bigger summer of discontent. Zymurgist for doing the same on a smaller level.

I distinctly remember myself thinking that those two where in trouble if the dime on this hole thing would drop our way (the players who protested). Especially Pann who even in her latests talks showed that she herself learned nothing from the mistakes a whole bunch of people at CCP made. But these are personal opinions and I in no way wished for this to happen. Zymurgist especially and I guess Pann (if you consider the past) are both part of EVE in a profound way.

A CSM not realising this is just a sign that they should stick to internet politics and not venture out into real world decision making. I hope other people in the CSM ded realise this and this is why they treaded carefully


I reject that. This stuff was going to happen no matter what. This bomb was set by CCP way before Incarna.

The CSM (thought coming to the protesting way late IMO) did what they should have done. And im happy that they brought light to a wider audience of CCPs stinking mess.

**Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence" **