Crime & Punishment

I'm trying to put together a mining barge ganking thing for real newbies to help get them hooked on EvE. Basically I need help in figuring out how many Cormorants would be needed in a gang to take down a retriever?

The fit is 7 light neutron blasters, 1mn AB, 1 warp disruptor/scram, 1 Magnetic Field Stabilizer. I think I might have to downgrade the fit a little bit to accommodate less trained fitting skills.

Yeah, I know you guys like using Thrashers and Catalysts, but I've already got a researched cormy bpo, and I'm in caldari space, so there. Also, I need to limit the fittings to T1 non named modules due to logistics reasons.

We'd preferably be operating in 05-0.6.

Alpha=dps * RoF?

Just downloaded it, trying to figure out how it works.

Hmm, I think it can maybe be done with 5... if I changed the fitting a little, I could get 380 alpha / 133 dps, but I'd need to get rid of the afterburner..

No. Just set your "keep-at-range" to something close to your guns' optimal, and you won't need any help hitting a barge.

Are you using Navy Antimatter? With the amount of ammo you need for a gank, it will barely add anything to the cost of the fit, maybe another 50k.

WIth Caldari Navy Antimatter S, that brings the cormorant*volleys down to 28.


So it's looking at rough estimate to be at most 12M ISK to bring down a retriever.

But it's so fun :(

You sayin' I'm ugly or sumtin'?

Get 100 guys in noobships and just try it, if it works, its free ganking

We did some testing for you yesterday, to see what it takes to take out these evil miners, who aren't nice to our friendly rocks.

http://p0wnd.nl/kb/index.php/kill_detail/3566/

I forget what the dps required to take down a Retriever is.. it can't be that high, although Covetors have less ehp. What dps are you and your friends working with? Are you set on the Cormorant, or could you use something else? Alpha, or Blasters? Almost always Retriever pilots will fit a scanner in the Mid and mining laser upgrades in the lows... and if they're not dumb some tank in the rigs. With all V skills, which most.. if not all Retriever pilots wont have, ehp will be around 10.9k (That's with two Anti-EM and one Anti-Thermal). Plan to take out a 10.9k Retriever and you'll do fine.

It's been a very long time since I've gone after Retrievers, so I hope this helps. You will need at least two people with a bare minimum of 300 dps each to net you a kill in 18.16 seconds, which limits you to 0.5 space.. and that's cutting it close. Also, that's factoring in that you are in optimal range and both of you hit for 300 every time. I would bring a third person just in case; but sounds like you have a gang of friends so you should be fine :)

I expect you will most likely run into Retrievers with 9-9.5k ehp, so saying you and a friend (or group of friends) puts out a combined dps of 600 that would bring the time required down to 15s - 15.83. The more friends you have, the more dps you have, the quicker the kills.. you know this already. But why stop at Retrievers? Go for Hulks, Mackinaws.

Despite what people say, there is A LOT to consider when trying to successfully high-sec gank. Feel free to contact me in game via mail and I'll be more than happy to continue helping/explaining :)

Math is wrong, concept is the same though. If you do 300 dps, your volleys will hit more than 300.. obviously. I don't know what I was thinking when I wrote this. Probably cause I break everything down into seconds and ehp vs estimated dps.