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Solo C3 Wormhole Amarr
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Unimaginative Guy
Dutch Squad
#1 - 2011-10-19 20:46:44 UTC
I need help on fittings and tactics for soloing C3 WH anomolies since i live in a C4 with a static C3

So far i have managed to be able to dps+tank the c3s in a duel rep apoc with 600 sustained tank un-neutable; however, i cant manage the frigates. The second i launch drones they get shot and blown up within 10-25 seconds. I cant even recall them then release again. Are there any tricks i can do or anything at all i can do to take care of the frigs? Their dps isnt the issue its just that they have to die lol. Even with a webber I cant hit them with my guns either.

Also since ill have Amarr Cruiser V done soon i have come up with a Sac fit that can easily tank+dps the sites, but im curious how i would take care of the 30km orbiting Upholder webbers. HAMs just cant reach that far.

Any experiences C3 wormhole-ists able to help me here?

P.S. Dont tell me to get a Legion since I'm currently training for one, It will just take a Month since i need T2 med pulses. I'm looking for other alternatives until then, i got the cash.
grumpyguts1
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#2 - 2011-10-19 21:23:54 UTC
Train for a drake, especially if you gong to be doing this a lot. Can get by with xr-3200 launchers and navy scourge missiles. Maybe not what you want to hear though. I never lost a T2 drone in the C3, I used hob's. make sure you are being aggressed first before launching them, when 1 takes a hit.. call them all back.

You could always warp back at range, only 1 of the anoms will despawn on the last wave if you killed the preserver cruiser and warp away
Unimaginative Guy
Dutch Squad
#3 - 2011-10-19 22:58:28 UTC
grumpyguts1 wrote:
Train for a drake, especially if you gong to be doing this a lot. Can get by with xr-3200 launchers and navy scourge missiles. Maybe not what you want to hear though. I never lost a T2 drone in the C3, I used hob's. make sure you are being aggressed first before launching them, when 1 takes a hit.. call them all back.

You could always warp back at range, only 1 of the anoms will despawn on the last wave if you killed the preserver cruiser and warp away


Drake isnt REALLY an option since my current char has no skills for it and is training for a legion and my alt CAN fly one but the tank would take atleast ~12 days and it would halt my main's training. However, how do you manage to not lose the drones? Mine die extremely fast, even if i recall them the second they are locked by the frigates they die before they reach me 7km away. Would using valkyires and training drone durability and speed to III(currently at 0) make a difference? This is currently the only problem my amar BSs are having, the god darn drones!
Vicker Lahn'se
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2011-10-19 23:32:29 UTC
Don't you love it when people respond with, "You're doing it wrong. You should use this specific ship that I use. It won't work with any other ship"? Roll

I'm not sure how much I can help, given that my perspective is that of a Loki pilot who webs and target paints the frigates to chew them up with medium autocannons, but I might be able to offer a suggestion or two. Have you tried smartbombs? You could fit one or two and leave it running while you're busy shooting at the bigger stuff.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#5 - 2011-10-20 00:04:34 UTC  |  Edited by: FloppieTheBanjoClown
Drones die horribly versus sleepers, it's one of the first things you learn about fighting them. The problem you're having with your battleship is you can't control range to reduce their transversal. Sitting still my Legion can't hit them at all, but when I point my ship in a direction and turn on the MWD, I start hitting targets once they're about 4-5 km behind me.

If you're still training for T2 medium pulse, I'm afraid there's not much Amarr that I can suggest. Everything that is well-suited to C3s will depend on Scorch M.

Aside from the Legion, I can also recommend the Zealot and Absolution. I've seen both running anoms in C3s and doing a great job at it. Yes Drake can probably do it faster, but...Drake's got no style.

edit: Range isn't the only issue you'll have with HAMs, they also suck versus frigates.

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grumpyguts1
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#6 - 2011-10-20 00:22:09 UTC  |  Edited by: grumpyguts1
Vicker Lahn'se wrote:
Don't you love it when people respond with, "You're doing it wrong. You should use this specific ship that I use. It won't work with any other ship"? Roll

I'm not sure how much I can help, given that my perspective is that of a Loki pilot who webs and target paints the frigates to chew them up with medium autocannons, but I might be able to offer a suggestion or two. Have you tried smartbombs? You could fit one or two and leave it running while you're busy shooting at the bigger stuff.


Never said he was doing it wrong, was just suggesting a fairly quick short term solution, hence the xr-3200 and not saying he NEEDS T2 launchers. If I was going to be prescriptive I would have said train for a tengu.. Also I never said no other ship would work.. so perhaps read before you jump to conclusions.


Unimaginative Guy. My drone skills are not brilliant, but all skills up to 4 and scout drone and drones are at 5. I do take armor damage sometimes, but a remote armor rep at the POS fixes that. Maybe your drones take more damage as they are out longer as they are the only damage dealing you have for the frigs.

Maybe try the warping in at range and align away. I never could get a BS to work for me.. but then my choice was a Raven.
Akuma Tsukai
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#7 - 2011-10-20 04:21:53 UTC
Aggro management for safe drone usage comes with time.
Hint: having some ewar REALLY helps keeping sleepers on your ass instead of drones. TP recommended.
Ofc, do train for legion, T3 are tailor made for WH solo (proteus aside.... damn blasters Cry)
weebil
industrial apocolypse
#8 - 2011-10-20 07:01:55 UTC
You can try this. It used to work, but I've not done it for a while.

Watch the overview. When the frigs targetting you start to yellow box instead of red then they are targetting your drones. Bring them in until you are all redboxed again. You should then be able to launch the drones for another few minutes
Hathrul
NED-Clan
Goonswarm Federation
#9 - 2011-10-20 10:52:23 UTC
yes, the easiest solution would be to train for caldari, but you dont want that, so fair enough.

sacri can do the job just fine. webbing is a problem obviously, but with javelin missiles you should be able to reach most of the ships that web you. it doesnt do a lot of damage, but itll do

legion is the best choice. both HAM or laser legions work, a friend of mine used to use one to great effect. nothing wrong with it

the only thing i miss is, you have a corp and live in a wormhole......bring a friend?
Unimaginative Guy
Dutch Squad
#10 - 2011-10-20 11:08:04 UTC
Thanks for all the help! Ya this isn't a serious issue since i usually run with a gang but they are mostly European. This means that at night i twiddle my thumbs for 2 hours XD 2 points: Even with jav missiles the sac hits to 30km but effectively thats about 28km which isnt enough for the cruisers, and thats with max skills. And yes i know i have to train for t2 scorch which i currently am doing, was just hoping there was something i could do in the meantime with this awsome apoc

To the person that said bring a TP...will that really allow me to use drones so they rent targeted every 5 seconds but maybe a bit less?
Ben Dourion
Doomheim
#11 - 2011-10-20 12:05:48 UTC
Im not sure how you plan to sustain lazers, cap and speed in a legion while being neuted to death by 2 BS if you re solo .
Unimaginative Guy
Dutch Squad
#12 - 2011-10-20 18:27:36 UTC
Ben Dourion wrote:
Im not sure how you plan to sustain lazers, cap and speed in a legion while being neuted to death by 2 BS if you re solo .


The neuting in C3s is an utter joke. All the people complain about it but it seriously isnt a problem for anything but a passive drake. Signature sites excluded from this since ive never attempted to solo them. Worst neuting scenario is an upholder and a BS which has a delta of aboout -15 or something, which my apoc can easily handle while still permarunning reppers. The legion could kill the upholder cruisers rather fast, ive seen it done in zealots and legions =)


(Drones are still my issue!)
Akuma Tsukai
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#13 - 2011-10-21 15:14:08 UTC
Unimaginative Guy wrote:

To the person that said bring a TP...will that really allow me to use drones so they rent targeted every 5 seconds but maybe a bit less?


Well it may be just me (i have my own field data only) but sleeper view logistics and ewar ships as 1st class hazard and switch to them asap. I still do have them aggro drones sometimes but that happens only once per 5-6 sites so benefits are obvious. As for TP - i suppose any ewar will do the trick but TP at least will help you the most.
YMMV, try it for yourself and see how it goes, im explorer by trade and do WHs only when i cant scan down a damn thing so im not the biggest expert in the field.