Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I can't believe I'm saying this but the Stabber and Rupture are incredibly underwhelming. They've flopped from the arguably most OP T1 cruiser (Rupture) and a usable one (Stabber) to two mediocre ships with little more to offer than what exists elsewhere other than being really fast compared to other ships in their role.

The main problem is damage. They simply don't do enough. Stabber struggles (and by 'struggles' I mean, with my skills, which are pretty good) to break 270 DPS. Rupture is stuck at I think about 370 and this is also trying to maintain a tank that means it won't be slain in 11-13 seconds by any Moa/Vexor that manages to catch it (even then, if the Rupture has a tackle buddy, as would the Moa or Vexor, the prize goes to either of the latter two thanks to the Moa's superior defenses and agreeable offensive power, and the Vexor's nutty DPS values). I honestly don't see much wrong with a small Stabber drone bay, for sure, everything else has a drone bay as well. Could just be 15m3, that'd be great.

I don't really get the fears about the rupture. Current rupture is often considered the best cruiser to fly, and this one trade a high (which was often used for a nos) to a mid (which can be used for a lot of things). Globaly, it's other stats are buffed. Minmatar strength never was dps output in the first place.

to me this balancing pass gives every other race what they really want , along with some versatility , while the amarr are stuck with armour , along with no utility highs , less than average damage , and terrible cap usage

I agree.. As for the cruisers go, I do believe that the Rupture - until now the best all around cruiser IMO - can be competed by other cruisers.

I have been playing around the ship on Duality and these are my experiences:

Maller:
Medicre DPS, however with the extra buffer it has due to the better resists it is an excellent ship for small gangs. Might not be as good for solo as the other ships but it is good!

Moa:
ASB FTW! Decent DPS, decent tank, it is a viable solo pewpew ship now.

Vexor:
my love for the next expansion: versatile, can be tanky or can be very high DPS. I think this ship will be flown a lot, maybe compete with the popularity of rupture.

Rupture:
The -1 utility high does not cause to much of a headache for me, the DPS is compensated with the bonuses the ship gets. The extra mid makes it more versatile and more viable for shield tank. Became even faster and I do believe it is a great ship to have for solo or smaller gangs.

show me the fit and i'll believe you , i cant find one that break 500 dps ,

im not saying the ship is useless , it ll be brilliant in fleets , where tank and damage projection counts for the most. i'm talking about the solo/small gang where individual ships and versatility is the most important.

what im talking about , is that the maller can only be fit a certain way , close range buffer fit. i havent been able to make an active tanked fit work against other cruisers.
and you cant kite fit a maller , its too slow for that compared to all the other cruisers.
i've tryed beams , but i cant find a niche where beam are better than the other races counterparts.


it doesnt have any defence against frigates as the ruppie or 4 mids armor cruisers do , it doesnt have a utility high , either for a neut against frigs , or a NOS to help its cap in drawn out fights (>1minute) against enemies, the tracking is also pisspoor as it cant even hit a cruiser orbiting it at less than 2,5k

the vexor is a drone ship. frigates will always have a hard time against those.

the rupture has capless weapons , can be fit both shield and/or armor , has a utility high and a full flight of light drones. has brilliant native tracking, and selectable damage type.

the moa has 5 mids, is shield tank , and im sure that itll be successfull with both pure buffer and ASB fits.

[NEW Maller, gank]
Adaptive Nano Plating II
Damage Control II
1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II

10MN Afterburner II
Faint Warp Disruptor I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I

NEW Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
NEW Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
NEW Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
NEW Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
NEW Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I

3x Warrior II


This one does 709 dps overheated with Conflagration. It also has 39k hitpoints so it's pretty tough. And yes on the test server it all fits.

Check again, it's 709. 661 from guns, 48 from drones. Conflag is viable in cruiser vs cruiser fights in many circumstances. Navy MF hits pretty damn hard too at 593 dps.

As for the MWD and cap stability, yea the ship has severe weaknesses but also exceptional strengths to make up for that. I've never said otherwise.

Ok, looks like you're right. My EFT data is messed up and shows 10% damage/level instead of 5% for some reason.

Well, hate them or love them. but I am pretty sure these are the stats we are going to get Dec 4th. There hasn't been a blue tagged post in the attack or combat cruiser threads for some time. And with their focus now turned towards BC's and BB's they seem satisfied with the changes they have made to these cruisers.

I wonder some what how these ship changes will affect the ecosystem of Eve, of what we see flying around and how it will be used. Which ships will rise in popularity and which ones will now collect dust in hangers and on market shelves. I guess time will tell.

I'm guessing they'll let these current iterations play out in the actual server and see how things go in the actual game and do another sweep of tweaks in combination with the BC/BS/CS changes.