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Bringing a knife to a gun fight
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Degnar Oskold
Moira.
#21 - 2012-11-09 18:34:06 UTC
Honestly, your arbitrator's tank was pretty poor. For an armour arb, you need at least a 800mm plate, even if you are active tanking. A single medium armour repper will never get you through a fight, and the 400mm plate is more of a destroyer mod than a cruise mod.

Also, the Fleet Stabber quite rightly outperforms the Arbitrator anyway - it costs 10 times more than a T1 cruiser for a reason. I don't think any race's T1 cruiser could ever reliably solo a Fleet Stabber.

Amarr have good frigates in the Executioner, Tormentor, Punisher and especially the Slicer.

Their T1 cruisers (except the Arbitrator) are the worst, but the winter balance should help with that. Navy Omen is a beast too.

The Harbinger is a fine battlecruiser. Even given the limited damage types, its high DPS and good sized drone bay helps to compensate. The Prophecy sucks but the winter patch makes it interesting.

And most Amarr T2 ships are also powerful enough.

All the cruiser-sized and larger ships I fly are Amarr (except Drakes), and I never have the feeling of bringing a knife to a gunfight.
Jason Ozran
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#22 - 2012-11-19 10:21:47 UTC
I read the first post of this topic, and I felt like you just described what's in my mind.

I started Eve 5 months ago and choose Amarr, cause I liked the way ships were looking (Arma Navy, Abaddon, Omen...). After 1 month, I entered a corporation where I learned how to PVP and discovered how Amarr is one of the worst if not the worst race for solo PVP. Why that? You say it all: slow because of armor tank, great optimal range but low "applied" dps because of tracking problems, and a bunch of useless ships (Maller, Omen, Prophecy...). Oh, and what an horrible capacitor we've got...cause we are slow, so that means you fight mostly close range above frigates, so you get neut, so you can't shoot...so you're dead. Yeh!

But still, I said to myself: ok, nobody will expect you to solo pvp in a long-range punisher, or an executioner, so let's do it. And actually, it worked pretty well for me, as I know got around 850 kills and all with T1 and T2 frigates, and sometimes cruisers and battlecruisers, and most of them solo. But you have to pick your ships very, very carefully: amarr has been created to fly in fleets, not solo. For me, the only interesting ships are:

- Executioner
- Punisher
- Retribution
- Arbitrator
- Omen (after the "Retribution" update in 2 weeks, it will give it a try)
- Harbinger, despite the way he moves as fast as a titan
- All BS...but who solo in a BS those days?

So yes, Amarr kind of sucks, and their faction and pirate faction ships are not better either: Cruor is useless and weak, Phantasm not even cap stable with a mwd activated, and so on...

So better advice I can give: if your goal is to PVP solo, choose Matar or Gallente. They have strong ships, with good dps and/or good speed, and are very fun to use.
jjohnpaul xvii
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#23 - 2012-11-19 11:01:22 UTC  |  Edited by: jjohnpaul xvii
Rroff wrote:
Not true solo but I know of a guy that used to do insanely well with a setup that consisted of dual boxing a kitsune with a tricked out navy omen (purely setup for speed, sig tank and dps, no plate, etc.) with halos, skirmish links and sig reduction drugs that navy omen was basically a frig with a lot of EHP for a frig and cruiser levels of dps/dps range (obviously not the tracking of frig sized guns but when you can out manouver most frigs transversal and sig becomes less of an issue).

If your looking for truly solo your playing the wrong game imo (or your crazy skilled) - even if you find what you think is a 1v1 fight the other guy will probably pop his cyno or uncloak his falcon alt once it turns against him.


Highlighted the important part for you. Roll
Reuqh Dew
Anasta.
#24 - 2012-11-19 14:49:13 UTC
Can't belive no one has mentioned Malediction yet! Malediction!
Sure it doesn't have a lot of paper dps, but it has pretty decent tank, good damage projection and it's often underestimated.

And it's soooooo cute.
Jason Ozran
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#25 - 2012-11-19 18:38:31 UTC
Reuqh Dew wrote:
Can't belive no one has mentioned Malediction yet! Malediction!
Sure it doesn't have a lot of paper dps, but it has pretty decent tank, good damage projection and it's often underestimated.

And it's soooooo cute.


I'll prefer close-range crusader, who also doesn't need any SP in rockets. Killed a cynabal with it recently and it was pretty awesome!
Lugia3
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2012-11-23 02:11:08 UTC
1400mm Artillery Abaddon, best Abaddon.

Not much can survive 10k alpha at 110km. Points are obsolete with it.Pirate

"CCP Dolan is full of shit." - CCP Bettik
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