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Which means you're apparently just skipping what I'm talking about, then, since I'm not talking about removing any functionality.


I have access to what I believe is the best ship replacement program in the game, and a large majority of that is financed through moons. I want this to change into being financed by people living in the alliance's space.

If I want to make my own isk, not that I really need to but if I wanted to, I'd do PI extraction on the nullsec char, and then I'd go to hisec to spend the rest of my game time making almost as much isk as I would in nullsec, with no risk, no need to pay attention to anything or anyone.


You could do that, and spend a lot more effort and risk having to spend more isk replacing ratting ships etc, or you could go to hisec, spend more or less the same time with much less effort and risk. You can't sit and watch a movie while doing this in nullsec, which means it's more tedious.


Huh, so what you're saying is, you've no grasp of the concept of "a war chest", and instead are focusing squarely on the isk value. Not exactly all that surprising, really. You're also confusing alliance-level income to individual-level income. Alliance-level income is used in a myriad of ways, this includes such things as JBs, supercaps and caps fuel, POSes all over the place, POSes, etc etc etc, and one of the most important part of all this is ... the warchest. Yes, it might have "half a trillion isk", but that's "half a trillion isk" which can be spent supporting a heightened ship replacement program to sustain fighting for longer, or you could be a complete idiot and **** away that isk so the wallet is closer to 0, and the instant a war breaks out you go bust and you're back in hisec.


Interesting to see you blaming null over things you've obviously no real grasp of how works. The moons require alliance-level coordination to take, its income is used to fund all alliance-level programs such as SRPs, warchests, investments in supercaps and capitals, POSes, jumpbridges, etc etc etc etc. Holding a region takes alliance-level coordination to take and hold, and its income is used to fund the alliance-level programs. I could go on listing things which nullsec does with that money which frankly is necessary to stay competitive in nullsec, but I'm thinking it'd be a waste of time.

Sov costs, reimbursements, POSes etc. are not paid by grunts.

I guess you haven't paid attention to the nerfs nullsec has gotten, then.


I haven't said "AFK", I've said "don't need to pay as much attention". In nullsec you have to pay attention at all times, or you will get ganked. This does not apply in hisec, in fact I could watch movies or tv series while doing whatever I pleased, and still get roughly the same type of payout, and not get ganked or have my ship popped. As for having to spend ammo, so? It's not as if that's special for hisec. In fact, it's easier to resupply yourself with ammo in hisec, so I've no idea why you're even bringing that up.

And as for newbies hopping in ships they can't fit properly, that's not risk, that's stupidity. There are so many good guides to how to run each and every mission type, it's not risky in any way shake or form.

As for PI, I guess you preferred the old method where you had to literally spend 20 minutes doubleclicking every extractor pin to reactivate them every x hours, just because you got a little bit more output that way.

Sorry to seem to lack of respect for you saying this but... you are not the only EvE player, I am commenting to pages and pages off multiple people, not necessarily directly repyling just to you.




You are deluding yourself, the very reason why huge alliances exist and function is because they can make you depending on them for your needs. CCP will never give "grunts" means of reasonable self survival else the alliances would crack and pilots would basically stop accepting being treated like warm meat and would go each on their own.
You are a cog in a system, you will remain a cog. Realistic game means being like RL even in these details.




You are in the dominant alliance of all. How can you find it harder than me (who I played in a now defunct alliance) who I just freely roamed inside sov territory facing no threat, sometimes even going across 3-4 systems? We had gates secured (rotation, some days I was guard too) for most of the day and local is an easy mode intel tool vs neuts who happen to arrive from WH and similar.




Well, considering the persistent and never ending complaints we get from the likes of you vs the never ending "scoops" posted on the Internet about huge sums stolen, I'd say that this "war chest" is held so tight that you are not satisfied and so it stays accumulating for years, "just in case". Then an alliance split happens and guess what, you will NEVER see a nickel off that war chest.
I really think you are talking out in good faith but you are really eating any food for simpletons the brass feed.




You are repeating what you have been programmed to talk. Too bad I have been in null sec on several of my alts (including this one which was actually *logistics officer* so a bit inside the details). There are massive amounts of wasting and bad spending and even bad investing (see E-Bank) that go on at alliance level and I have yet to see a cancelled alliance where directors walk away poor.

But hey, keep blaming the 2 millions PI a day that you can make easier in hi sec while overlooking the billions a day used with maximum discretion in your home.

I or my alts have been in lo/null sec corps/alliances with not a single moon, where do you believe the money came out from?
Who do you think the PI tax goes to?

In some corps we even had "ISK make" days where they'd set tax to 100% and we had to grind L4 or bring out the Hulks and mine and the profit went to the corp.

Tell us more about where you rat with deadspace-fitted ships, so we can make them go splodey.

Also, you're dumb.

HTH.

Put in [words] then add a couple [words] and counter with some other [words], all of this on GD Eve-O-Forums while you stay dock and only playing in (or with?) your head.

I stopped reading here. You clearly are trying to equate an RMT alliance setup with all alliances. This makes it pretty obvious you don't have any idea how a big null alliance is ran, much less blocs. This means you also do not have a grasp on any of the financial details either. You are not remotely qualified to even be speaking about null or any of its structures. I am probably the most Lex Luthor personality and wield the most raw power of any null finance person in EVE, and none of this is remotely true for ourselves, or any of our allies. Nor would I want it to be.

Pray tell, how do huge alliances "make [me] depend on them" when I don't have to do anything other than log in, join a fleet, shoot someone (or get blueballed), dock back up and log off and log back into my hisec chars and make money effortlessly?


Um. Nullsec is supposed to be where you go and take some space, shoot eachother in the faces (as groups), and make a living there. The past 3+ years CCP have continually nerfed nullsec to the point where the only things left, realistically, is to take space, occasionally shoot eachother in the face while doing so, and build supercaps. **** living there.


Here's a clue: nullsec isn't safe, and if you treat nullsec as if it is safe (by, say, watching movies etc while ratting, mining, moving minerals around etc), you will get ****** up. In hisec, I don't need to do any of this.

Is this hard to fathom?


We get it, you don't understand the concepts of warchests.


Now you're just talking out of your ass. You have absolutely no idea how large nullsec alliances are run, and we see that especially when you talk about "make isk days" and "grind L4s or brin gout the hulks and mine and the profits went to the corp". That's the existence I'd expect from a renter, and that certainly doesn't match up in any way, shape or form with my experience the last three years while in goons.

Yes, MY corp tested the tanks on all of the barges to see what was profitable to gank and what wasnt. WE know exactly how to fit exhumers to not be profitable to gank. You did not need any faction at all to tank these things and doing so only ended up in making you a target in most cases. I posted the fits for months but it seems you simply ignored the free advice on fittings and tactics along with all the other bad miners. The skiff and hulk could around the same tank. The Mack could fit a smaller tank than the hulk but there was less profit to be made from it due to only having two strip miners, even so, it had enough of a tank to make not worth ganking.






So again, why is taking the only risk miners will face in high sec away a good thing?



So you can leave it run while you sleep/work. The only thing the bigger ore bays have done to bots is make it harder to tell if they are indeed bots and reduced the amount of commands the bot needs to run. If anything, this has boosted bot numbers.