EVE General Discussion

Get over it. You want CCP to introduce a module so that you can have the same result and feel good about yourself too?

You want to feel good about yourself, start with some decency and self-respect and don't try to become a bot. And by that I mean engaging with other players rather than lumps of ice.

...uh...I don't think you know how ice mining works. While that would be a good fix, cycles take anywhere from 30 seconds-60+ seconds to get some ice. If they had to keep warping around, they would get nothing.


Nice ad hominem following your original statement.




Now you're just grasping at straws. Did I say anything about the bumpers being AFK? No.I'm talking about immunity to consequences from a bump. Miner is bumped, they move away and cant stop. Bumper bumps miner, he...lols? I don't know.
A few have tried ganks, war decs, etc, and that stops 1 or 2 or 3. If you knew about this topic, you would know there's probably 10-20 corps with bumpers, with the rest in NPC corps. You could dec them all, and they'd just dock up and hide, like in the case of M0N0 in tolle. He just afks now and stays hidden thanks to that war dec. But there's gods know how many others, MANY in npc corps. Sure, you can gank them. But that doesn't mean they just say "welp" and don't come back. They keep coming. Like roaches.




1) How many times do I have to say READ my posts? The above poster was right, you are like a broken radio. I didn't say 100% unaffected. Good gods.

2) I'm asking for the first to have a form of counter. But you seem to not grasp this concept.

3) No bump trades off to potential gank and/or lower yields. How many times will I need to repeat myself Pipa?




Why should highsec ganking be easy? Why should a criminal action in the 'civilized' area of space be profitable? Skiffs aren't giant blocks of tritanium. Warp in with close range boats, damage mod to hell, web, scram and pop. Ta-da.

So much for intelligent counter arguments Try this...
tl;dr Miners should have a form of counter to bumping in exchange for lower tank, lower yeilds, and not being able to move, making them susceptible to a gank. Which, btw Pipa, would mean your argument about the skiff REALLY doesn't work.



You seem...upset comrade. Allow me to clarify.

As stated above, the module could have its trade off, allowing you angry gankers turned bumpers to follow a pseudo cult leader to gank at your leisure against none moving targets with low tank. I don't want an iwin button. We have titans...well HAD titans for that years ago. So no, I don't want an iwin button for miners, but it would be nice for them to have SOMETHING as a trade off. Balance risk and reward, as you all so say

As for your ad hominem attack against the miners, just because they aren't talking to YOU or in local, does not mean they are "bot-aspirants," which that term in and of itself is ridiculously assumptive




Nothing. Cycle ends and they get nothing from the cycle. So if a miner is at 58/60 seconds, and is bumped out of range, the 60 seconds is wasted.

As for the bumper leaving, they've a tendency to not do that. They're a very tenacious bunch. Very active. I commend them for that, at least.

I tested that oddly enough. There's no way to warp in a way that a miner can still maintain their gathering. Strip miners, much like guns, shut off when you warp. Target lock ceases. Or maybe I misunderstood you. Can you clarify in that case?

And I can understand your sentiment on ATK vs AFK, but even the ATK miners are getting bumped for ransom without a real counter. They can't out maneuver a bumping ship and there isn't a warp method for this either...ship's can't warp 50km. Max requirement for a warp is about 130km-170km. Somewhere there.

In respect to the magic anti-bumping module, I think the history of miners in Eve is that if it involved any significant tradeoff, such as cutting cargo hold space in half or reducing tank by a significant amount or even having a 10,000,000 ISK price tag, then the miners would not use it.

They always had the option of tanking their Exhumers but few did, so CCP had to give it to them. A miner should think, logically I might add based on CCP history, "why should I compromise my ISK making when I can get what I want by complaining about the PvPers?" The demand for the anchoring module is typical miner response to an outside stimulus, insist CCP nerf someone else because it isn't "balanced" (meaning the miner doesn't like it).

Overall, Anslo represents the kind of miner-thought that made the New Order necessary in the first place. He is just another in a long line of miners who want CCP to change EvE to accomodate them. They do not consider the damage they will do if successful in removing one more aspect of interactive play from High sec. They just want to mine in peace. As a sandbox game, anyone should be able to try and do whatever they want to... but never in peace.

Bing Bangboom
Agent of the New Order of Highsec
Belligerent Undesirable

Then, if mining ice doesn't suit your method of countering bumpers while at the keyboard, mine ore. Look at how that thinking thing works.

10 more seconds of thought. In another page, we might have the thinking up to a minute.



The entire basis of this thread is complaining that ATK players can affect AFK players without the AFK players having an effective means of defense.

Bumping is the response that emerged to the unwarrented EHP buff to Exhumers. Without that buff, we'd be ganking you instead. Since ganking Exhumers got nerfed into the ground, bumping's the way to show that miners cannot be satisfied with a Multiplayer game that allows non-arena PvP.

If they keep coming back, keep ganking them.



1) Every one I've responded to or has been in a thread of conversation I've responded to.

2) There is one. Be at the keyboard. Fit a prop mod. Orbit things. All of these are counters. You even list them on your website. You're asking for a Hard Counter. That would be an unprecedented new thing in EVE. There are no Hard Counters in Eve, only soft counters of varying firmness.



Why should an entirely untanked Mackinaw be unprofitable to gank?
Ganking has only ever been profitable against under or entirely untanked Exhumers.
Ganking has only ever been easy against people who are AFK.

Why should it be profitable and easy to gank people who are AFK in untanked Exhumers? Because otherwise there's no reason to be ATK or to fit a Tank to your exhumer. In other words, Industrious or Intelligent people gain no benefit from their industry or intelligence.


Where does it say "Except High Sec" in this quote?

When you get bumped, how long does it take before you can turn your strips back on?
When you warp, how long does it take before you can turn your strips back on?

Bet you the second one's shorter.



Yes, they can. Capitals have been warping 50km into 60km wide POS shields from Cynos 5km outside the shield for years.

Here's the hint I'll give you. You cannot warp to any target closer than 150km away.

Minimum warp distance, not mining range.

In the old days they wouldn't have had any modules left.

They'd be crying on TS about how they were changing their ipod setlist and they came back to an unexpected spacedock.

I'd say this is all really pretty relative.

"Mine aligned and pay attention!" should be the mantra of anybody hoping to mine in peace, not, "Give us a no-bump module!"

By the way did you know if you light a cynosural field you can't move?

Why won't miners fit cynos and just adapt?

Edit: Oh right, no cynos in the kiddie pool!

Why should they have to change? And again, it's not just AFKs having this issue, ATKs do as well. Aaand again with the brilliant ad hominems of thought time :p



Any means of defense, at all. It applies as much to AFK as ATK. Right now, there's no risk to ATK bumpers bumping afk bumpers. They just get away with it, plain and simple. But the module anchor would prevent the bumping, but then the bumper could just gank. In the end, all is balanced.




1) Mkay then

2) And again, ATK's are just as susceptible. Watch it happen, get bumped yourself once. Test it. But I do see your concern about a "hard counter" for this. I didn't say the idea was perfect. But it's an idea! \o/



I feel like there's a risk/reward imbalance for ganking a non-combatant ship that's essentially paper and gaining isk from it....but then again I may be misunderstanding your point here. As for your second answer here, you're saying it should be easy to gank, in the governmental/empire areas of space, because it makes ATK players actions more beneficial? I think that'd depend on what they even do with their minerals before you could determine what belittles what. In the end, it's all shooting rocks. I don't think there's anyway to really belittle "intelligent" action while mining. Slap on a few boosts to an orca, fleet, target, fire. Now if you said this into relation of industrialism, I could see that.


Really are a broken radio I'll say it again.
Module. Low armor tank. No bump. pewpew.