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Eagle Two Moons
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-11-07 16:00:51 UTC
Greetings everyone.

I am a returning player. To make a long story short, I was in a 6 jumps journey to Jita, "knowingly" ingnoring the "don't fly what you can't lose" rule, when I got ganked 4 jumps away from my destination. Lost 500mil. Hurt like a *****, threw me away from the game for the better part of 3 months. I'm not complaining, it was probably my fault anyways. But now my wounds have healed and I'm back.

And one of the first things I noticed, is that the cargo hold of my Hulk shrank from 8000 to 350 m3.

My question is: Is solo mining still doable / worth? Between having to jetcan mine, or having to mine only in a group, or having to run from and to the station all the time, and having to endure the gankings... what the hell.. is it still woth?

Some times I wonder if now, that I'm back, I shouldn't be training my PVP skill instead...

Thanks to you all and fly safe.

Eagle
Iosue
League of Gentlemen
The Initiative.
#2 - 2012-11-07 16:10:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Iosue
last patch they changed the roles and stats of all the mining barges and exhumers. All mining ships have had their cargo bays reduced, however they have new ore holds which vary by ship. in addition, all mining ships have or get bonuses equal to three strip miners. Hulks and coveters reap the highest yield, with a modest ore hold (8k i believe); macks and retrievers have the largest ore hold (35k i believe); skiffs and procurers have the best tank (think battleship stats).

edit: so if you're looking to solo mine, a retriever or mack is the way to go. more ore and less travel.
CataCourier
Gordon Industries
#3 - 2012-11-07 16:29:00 UTC
Eagle Two Moons wrote:
My question is: Is solo mining still doable / worth?


Solo mining is never worth it, unless you're afk mining. Just don't tell James315.

But seriously, if you're only playing with one account, you're way better off doing missions, or FW, or trading, or anything instead of shooting rocks.
Eagle Two Moons
Doomheim
#4 - 2012-11-07 16:47:58 UTC
Thanks for the replies, guys.

Didn't noticed the ore holds. Gonna have to look into it later. And I guess I should be looking for a corp.

Bye all.
Dave Stark
#5 - 2012-11-07 17:19:09 UTC
get rid of the hulk, get a mackinaw.

if you're solo mining there's 0 reason to be in a hulk other than stupidity.
Styth spiting
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-11-07 19:34:58 UTC
It really depends on what your time is worth, what you enjoy doing and what you're capable of skill point wise.

Retrievers and Mackinaws have increased ore holds, which allow you to mine and not need to jetcan or depend on a hauling alt. These ships are specifically made for solo miners (or afk mining).

With a retriever you can make around 19M isk/hour with descent skills and mining drones II. Total ship/fitting cost will be under 50M isk.


A mackinaw will yield you an additional 1M - 1.5M isk/hour, but will also cost you 190M isk, and also makes you a target for ganking attempts, while the retriever isn't worth ganking.


Not knowing what your skills are like mining could be more profitable for you then running missions / sites. L4 security missions can pay out well, but requires a big investment in ship/mods and SP. Same thing with running sites and what not.

Basically if you're stil low in SP, don't have much isk to invest and want to do easy isk/hour that requires little work mining might be the best thing for you.
Kaivar Lancer
Doomheim
#7 - 2012-11-08 17:07:44 UTC
Go with a mack, or retriever if you want to grief gankers.
qDoctor Strangelove
Doomheim
#8 - 2012-11-08 18:24:20 UTC
Eagle Two Moons wrote:
Greetings everyone.

I am a returning player. To make a long story short, I was in a 6 jumps journey to Jita, "knowingly" ingnoring the "don't fly what you can't lose" rule, when I got ganked 4 jumps away from my destination. Lost 500mil. Hurt like a *****, threw me away from the game for the better part of 3 months. I'm not complaining, it was probably my fault anyways. But now my wounds have healed and I'm back.

And one of the first things I noticed, is that the cargo hold of my Hulk shrank from 8000 to 350 m3.

My question is: Is solo mining still doable / worth? Between having to jetcan mine, or having to mine only in a group, or having to run from and to the station all the time, and having to endure the gankings... what the hell.. is it still woth?

Some times I wonder if now, that I'm back, I shouldn't be training my PVP skill instead...

Thanks to you all and fly safe.

Eagle


Check your damn ore hangar
Raziel Walker
NPC Tax Evasion Corp
#9 - 2012-11-09 12:13:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Raziel Walker
qDoctor Strangelove wrote:

Check your damn ore hangar


Damnations are not mining vessels and don't have an ore hold.

Otherwise check the damm replies to see if anyone already made that suggestion.
PhatController
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-11-09 14:24:33 UTC
I know the biggest benefit of a mackinaw is the larger ore hold, but shouldn't it outpace the Ret's yield by more then 80m3 yield for a ship that take nearly a month longer and several times the price of a ret?
Morikar
#11 - 2012-11-09 14:58:23 UTC
Welcome back to Eve :)

Mining barges got the changes listed by other people, but something else you should be warned about with mining now is that there are a lot of players bumping miners around. Basically they fit a Stabber or other faster cruiser with a MWD and approach your barge at full speed. The force of the impact knocks your barge 20-30km away from the roid, which deactivates your mining lasers since they are out of range.

This apparently isn't an exploit, but it's annoying as hell.

Supposedly your can mostly negate the bumpers if you orbit the roid you are mining instead of sitting still, but that ruins your alignment if you stay aligned to a station like we used to do so you could warp off faster in the event of a problem.
PhatController
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-11-09 16:37:04 UTC
Morikar wrote:
Welcome back to Eve :)

Mining barges got the changes listed by other people, but something else you should be warned about with mining now is that there are a lot of players bumping miners around. Basically they fit a Stabber or other faster cruiser with a MWD and approach your barge at full speed. The force of the impact knocks your barge 20-30km away from the roid, which deactivates your mining lasers since they are out of range.

This apparently isn't an exploit, but it's annoying as hell.

Supposedly your can mostly negate the bumpers if you orbit the roid you are mining instead of sitting still, but that ruins your alignment if you stay aligned to a station like we used to do so you could warp off faster in the event of a problem.


Also a lot of belts, if you orbit a roid you will end up stuck on a rock.
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#13 - 2012-11-09 16:54:55 UTC
Morikar wrote:
Welcome back to Eve :)

Mining barges got the changes listed by other people, but something else you should be warned about with mining now is that there are a lot of players bumping miners around. Basically they fit a Stabber or other faster cruiser with a MWD and approach your barge at full speed. The force of the impact knocks your barge 20-30km away from the roid, which deactivates your mining lasers since they are out of range.

This apparently isn't an exploit, but it's annoying as hell.

Supposedly your can mostly negate the bumpers if you orbit the roid you are mining instead of sitting still, but that ruins your alignment if you stay aligned to a station like we used to do so you could warp off faster in the event of a problem.

You can still do that. Make 4 bookmarks a goodly distance away from the belt. One to the north, one east, one west, one south. Now "circle" the roid by aligning to each in turn. You will be doing a square loop about the roid, and most of the time be at warp speed in case of trouble.

Has anyone tried using a skiff or procurer to avoid the bumpers? They got a higher top speed.

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Celgar Thurn
Department 10
#14 - 2012-11-09 17:26:49 UTC
Morikar wrote:
Welcome back to Eve :)

Mining barges got the changes listed by other people, but something else you should be warned about with mining now is that there are a lot of players bumping miners around. Basically they fit a Stabber or other faster cruiser with a MWD and approach your barge at full speed. The force of the impact knocks your barge 20-30km away from the roid, which deactivates your mining lasers since they are out of range.

This apparently isn't an exploit, but it's annoying as hell.

Supposedly your can mostly negate the bumpers if you orbit the roid you are mining instead of sitting still, but that ruins your alignment if you stay aligned to a station like we used to do so you could warp off faster in the event of a problem.


Hmm. I haven't heard of that happening a lot. Seems a bit pathetic actually but each to their own. Think I have only been bumped once by a Proteus from a mining corporation that didn't want me mining VP in the same belt as them. It didn't stop me mining there though. Hehe.
Styth spiting
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2012-11-09 17:44:20 UTC
Celgar Thurn wrote:
Morikar wrote:
Welcome back to Eve :)

Mining barges got the changes listed by other people, but something else you should be warned about with mining now is that there are a lot of players bumping miners around. Basically they fit a Stabber or other faster cruiser with a MWD and approach your barge at full speed. The force of the impact knocks your barge 20-30km away from the roid, which deactivates your mining lasers since they are out of range.

This apparently isn't an exploit, but it's annoying as hell.

Supposedly your can mostly negate the bumpers if you orbit the roid you are mining instead of sitting still, but that ruins your alignment if you stay aligned to a station like we used to do so you could warp off faster in the event of a problem.


Hmm. I haven't heard of that happening a lot. Seems a bit pathetic actually but each to their own. Think I have only been bumped once by a Proteus from a mining corporation that didn't want me mining VP in the same belt as them. It didn't stop me mining there though. Hehe.


Bumping is pretty popular these days since its too difficult to gank miners and no need to jetcan mine any longer.

Orbiting does help such as dropping a jetcan and setting orbit as close as possible to it, but if you mine with an Orca it becomes very difficult since your miners need to stay within 2500m of the Orca to dump and stay within laser range. For some reason a cruiser can bump an Orca just as far as a barge, so you can't simply set your miners to orbit the orca.
Morikar
#16 - 2012-11-09 23:06:32 UTC
Celgar Thurn wrote:
Hmm. I haven't heard of that happening a lot. Seems a bit pathetic actually but each to their own. Think I have only been bumped once by a Proteus from a mining corporation that didn't want me mining VP in the same belt as them. It didn't stop me mining there though. Hehe.


I haven't had it happen to me, but I don't mine anymore. Heck, there are corps out there that are dedicated to this now, and they will essentially ransom your mining activities if they find you.

"Sure, pay us 10 million ISK and we'll leave you alone" kinda stuff.

Since it's not an exploit, and you don't get agro from bumping, there's no way to stop the ***hats from doing it.

Makes me glad I stopped mining a long time ago.
Zyella Stormborn
Green Seekers
#17 - 2012-11-10 02:56:52 UTC
Styth spiting wrote:
Celgar Thurn wrote:
Morikar wrote:
Welcome back to Eve :)

Mining barges got the changes listed by other people, but something else you should be warned about with mining now is that there are a lot of players bumping miners around. Basically they fit a Stabber or other faster cruiser with a MWD and approach your barge at full speed. The force of the impact knocks your barge 20-30km away from the roid, which deactivates your mining lasers since they are out of range.

This apparently isn't an exploit, but it's annoying as hell.

Supposedly your can mostly negate the bumpers if you orbit the roid you are mining instead of sitting still, but that ruins your alignment if you stay aligned to a station like we used to do so you could warp off faster in the event of a problem.


Hmm. I haven't heard of that happening a lot. Seems a bit pathetic actually but each to their own. Think I have only been bumped once by a Proteus from a mining corporation that didn't want me mining VP in the same belt as them. It didn't stop me mining there though. Hehe.


Bumping is pretty popular these days since its too difficult to gank miners and no need to jetcan mine any longer.

Orbiting does help such as dropping a jetcan and setting orbit as close as possible to it, but if you mine with an Orca it becomes very difficult since your miners need to stay within 2500m of the Orca to dump and stay within laser range. For some reason a cruiser can bump an Orca just as far as a barge, so you can't simply set your miners to orbit the orca.



Set the Orca to orbit, an object, set the miner to orbit the Orca.

There is a special Hell for people like that, Right next to child molestors, and people that talk in the theater. ~Firefly
Alt Shi
Doomheim
#18 - 2012-11-10 15:31:47 UTC
Be aware that some miners are taking up arms against other miners. I advise 0.7 and above and use something more than civilian shield boosters. I mean really... what was that guy thinking?
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#19 - 2012-11-10 19:50:23 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
get rid of the hulk, get a mackinaw.

if you're solo mining there's 0 reason to be in a hulk other than stupidity.



My '2 Hulks and an Orca' and my Wallet Balance highly disagree.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#20 - 2012-11-10 19:52:09 UTC
Morikar wrote:


Supposedly your can mostly negate the bumpers if you orbit the roid you are mining instead of sitting still, but that ruins your alignment if you stay aligned to a station like we used to do so you could warp off faster in the event of a problem.



Your post was fine until it turned into a stalking horse for this little piece of untruth.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
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