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Permanent war decs will be fixed in Retribution.
We have made it so that in a mutual war, the original aggressor has the option of retracting the war.
And by "we have made it so", I mean Punkturis has made it so.

1. Kinda sounded like you felt you could talk down to CCP Punkturis if she was a woman from your patriarchal comment. I'm ready to say I read it wrong, but that was my initial impression.

2. From one player to another, yes I think some contributions to the community and the forums are worth more than others. I feel every person is entitled to contribute and can do so in many ways. There's the thoughtful proposals, the interesting story, the insightful or just plain "Hi, I'm new what is this warp scrambler message" new guy questions, and there's funny trolls which keep things lively.

Aaaand then there's people choosing to communicate in ways both obnoxious AND uninteresting. I think the contributions of players in the former category are to be championed, and I have fought tirelessly for them. I think players choosing to do the latter should be pointed out and given some merciless honesty till they decide to make different choices, become laughably discredited through their own words, or simply get out. I've been this way for years; my voters appreciate someone willing to fight for them and not give their sincere concerns the same weight of someone shouting for attention. There's a difference, that difference is important, and filtering out the noise is one of a CSM's most useful roles as a player advocate to CCP.

3. Life must be very hard for someone with your sensitivities. "Unrealistic," "fool," and "dumb" were polite understatements. I thought my point got across without having to get really nasty and unreasonable, and it seems like it has.

4. Not sure what your question is here but I'm having fun so if you can rephrase it I'd be happy to try to answer.

Alekseyev Karrde, i think we both should end it here. Maybe we do not understand each other, or we don't want to. Don't feed the troll. Could be me could be you.

Don't believe that and do not want to!

So we're back to War Dec's without consequences and the system itself is still inherently worthless... Ok. Preventing everyone who got into bed with an alliance from inheriting all of their targets and the other way around would have been step in the right direction but I guess this is way better than the current hell storm.

This only fixes half of the problem. If you declare a war on anybody they could still mutual it and leave only one unneeded char in that corp. You would still forever have an ongoing war where u are the agressor and all you can do is petition. The inactive corp would never have to pay even a single ISK. This possibility is flawed by design.
A good system is one that is well thought out and doesn't need constant "special cases" to keep working. Especially in a sandbox where everything possible is wanted to be allowed.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=170237&find=unread (need to put this to my signature ^^)

/me puts on tinfoil hat...

:s and Brib ended things so well, here you go make things fun again.

Perhaps dumb *was* a poor choice of words. Willfully ignorant would have been more nuanced. As far as you appearing foolish, well it's certainly just my opinion but i think it stands quite nicely given this post.

Man I was sooo happy to just let it end with Brib's rather tactful post. You two should really coordinate better.

And you should never ever say this: "Now I at least know how long I have to live with it and when i can start recruiting again." when slinging mud at someone who does war decs for a living.

What is wrong is not how the current wardec mechanics work but the wording of it.

"Mutual" should be changed to "All or Nothing mode".

And it goes like this.

"Aggressor Corp/Alliance" wardecs "Nasty Corp". Now "Nasty Corp" ticks box "All or Nothing mode". "Aggressor Corp/Alliance" now has the option to drop the wardec (24h cool down) or tick the box "All or Nothing mode".

"Aggressor Corp/Alliance" ticks the box also and now both corps/alliance are in "All or Nothing mode".

At this point the only way to get out of the war is for "Surrender terms" (in game mechanics) to be agreed or one of the crops/Alliance disbands


Now "Nasty Corp" feels he needs some friends. So he goes of to "Silly Bear Alliance" and joins them. Now the wardec is on for "Aggressor Corp/Alliance" and "Silly Bear Alliance". At this point, Same thing/option can happens. "Silly Alliance" ticks the box "All or Nothing mode". "Aggressor Corp/Alliance" can again drop the wardec (24h cool down) or tick the box "All or Nothing mode". Same rules as before to end the war remain. But with one exception. If "Nasty Corp" or it's CEO resigns and leaves the "Nasty Corp" and or "Silly Bear Alliance", The wardecs goes with them.

End result is the same. Somebody has to Disband or agree to "Surrender terms" (in game mechanics).

The fact that Corp/Alliances can Wardec with out consequentness is a bitter pill to swallow for most folk. And with this up coming change. They get that back again.

I Must say that I do feel like some of the rest posting here.

Seems that if Goons say jump. CCP do say how high please Mr. Goon CEO


If the goons don't like the wardecs, Then they should not make them on folks. And if they don't want to fight the wardecs, Stay out of high sec. They have all that nice SOV. They can make their own trade hubs in null. They can make everything they need in Null sec. They don't need Jita. and if they feel like they do need Jita. Then maybe they should do more escort run when they go there.