EVE General Discussion

Wherever you're calling it Harassment, you're still calling it that. Stands to reason that you think it should be dealt with the same way CCP handles all other cases of Harassment.



Funny. You haven't said that you don't think it's harassment.


Why do you need a module? The counter to Bumping is to be ATK. The counter to AFK mining is bumping, now that you guys got CCP to eliminate ganking as a significant threat.

Why should you get a bump-proof, gank proof mining ship? (With that module, the Skiff would simply replace the Mack)


Why should you be able to effectively counter someone who is at their keyboard while you are not at yours? Why should miners get this unwarrented ability to negate other people's gameplay without making any effort themselves?

I would think that would be obvious based on my stance, but given you need a big honkin' sign. Yes, generally, I think gamers are being harassed. inb4 the flurry of flames and quotes \o/




You should re-read my post instead of jumping the gun there, Pipa. Read it again and come back to me. I said that the module should be a trade off for bump safety for lower yields and/or tank.
Besides, even ATK miners still get bumped, I watched it. A Mackinaw or Hulk is not out maneuvering an SFI.

That's no fun.

As has been pointed out many times already, there IS a module to prevent bumping. It costs 10,000,000 ISK, is available from any Agent of the New Order of Highsec, and lasts for one full year. Why should a miner care whether they buy a "Caldari Navy Space Stake" or a New Order indulgence? Its all just ISK. And there is no tradeoff on the indulgence, just profit!

The miners who are at their keyboards who are getting bumped have not paid their indulgence fees. This is a violation of The Code and justly results in bump.

Cut the pseudo RP for a second = =|| that's not a module, that's called a ransom.



Yes, there is. One is a module "take" that can keep them there, and they choose to invest in themselves so that no one else that they don't want to (i.e. extortionists) takes their money. The other, is a scam/ransom. That's like saying the mafia of old days were a "legitimate business."

[qupte]The miners who are at their keyboards who are getting bumped have not paid their indulgence fees. This is a violation of The Code and justly results in bump.[/quote]

Except they shouldn't have to observe your "code" because it's not CCP sanctioned rules and basically ruin an individuals good time and recreation unless they pay some thugs off. No bueno



Except that it's against your own bumps, which means it's not a service to stop bumping, it's a ransom to keep you from bumping them. Which sometimes doesn't even matter anyway.

...except it isn't a module, and it isn't better than a module.



Yes, they were legitimate professions (piracy, mercs, etc), but they had counters and consequences. What consequences do the bumpers have?

Nothing.

Also, the "order" has no authority.




CCP did not officially sanction anything, they simply said it isn't harassment based on the EULA. That doesn't mean YES GO BUMP EVERYONE WE ENCOURAGE IT! GET THEIR TEARS. That's an assumption. So unless we see a post from CCP [insert name here] saying we approve of bumping and think you should go collect those tears, your viewpoint on this is moot.

EDIT: obligatory post with your main reference.

I explained how it's better than a module, you have no counterargument, so that point is conceded.

You have an entire webpage filled with counters. It's titled "Anti-bump methods" "http://proveldtariat.wordpress.com/anti-bump-methods/" To pretend here that no counters exist is therefore not just wrong, but proven LYING--are you saying that no counters exist? You kinda imply it but don't say it explicity--so make it explicit: Do you admit counters to bumping already exist? As to consequences, those are effectively unlimited, but they are up to the players to provide. So far you've made a list--which isn't very frightening, but that's your own fault.

I never said it's 'officially sanctioned', but laid out a clear unofficial sanction, which is not an assumption but a deduction. you might want to look those words up.

why does anyone bother to argue with pipa porto? Its like arguing with a radio. one of those people who won't admit they are wrong and are wrong constantly and his own stupid personal definitions for everything.

Hey pipa, try to find a game you dont feel the need to constantly complain about. You obviously don't understand what EVE is supposed to be.

Just to straighten this up; how is Pipa complaining? As far as I'm aware, she's telling the miners here why they're wrong to be complaining about the miner bumpers.


No, no it isn't. It's just like buying a module that costs 10 million ISK, uses no slots in your fitting, is completely CPU and Power Grid free, doesn't get blown up with your ship and doesn't have to be activated or anything. It doesn't even take up screen space! So yeah, I think it'd be fair to call it a module squared.

OK...I'll explain it in-depth, no jabs, no insults. I'll just explain.

I see what you're saying in terms of an economical stand point. The module would allow for individuals to NOT be bumped. However there is a risk trade off, which is what Eve is all about. The risks. However, those risks entail that the module could be destroyed by a ganker as opposed to a ransom being paid to let them mine. From a pure Eve-economic stand point, you could be considered right.

I do not speak from the point of Eve alone. Outside the game world and in the real world, there is something called intrinsic value. I won't insult your intelligence with explaining it, as I'm sure you know what that means. If not...welp.
There is an intrinsic value one assigns to freedom and liberty to do as they please, without bending over to someone elses whim, especially one who, in the real world

1) Has no corporate authority to dictate what they can do
2) Has no governmental authority to dictate what they can do

It is in essence a case of a school yard bully, an average joe, pushing around other average joe's. People assign an intrinsic value to not kotowing to the bullying and pontification of the equivalent of a highsec thug. They would rather resist than bow down. That same intrinsic value would make it more worthwhile to miners to pay and risk loosing the module, than to offer themselves to the whims of a thug.

intrinsic value>module cost

Get it?


...WAT???