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[Winter] ORE frigate

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Julia Charante
Doomheim
#301 - 2012-10-29 10:18:37 UTC
Has there been any discusion as to the price of these?

And further more, since there is one high-slot available you might as well add a bonus for scanning down sites
wurblewind
Filthy Peasants
Intergalactic Space Hobos
#302 - 2012-10-29 16:13:34 UTC
Oraac Ensor wrote:
Name suggestion: Prospector.


I would support this name, but it's the name I always pick for my miner ships, which eliminates what little originality that name had. So no, you can't has it. P

Still, I suppose if you can't find anything else.... Lol

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Luc Chastot
#303 - 2012-10-30 14:31:12 UTC
Now that I think about it, a 180m^3 cargo hold would be nice.

Make it idiot-proof and someone will make a better idiot.

Daioh Azu
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#304 - 2012-10-31 02:32:41 UTC
Description of Ore Frigate in build 438574 currently on Duality:

Show Info wrote:

The ORE frigate is amazing at fast ninja drilling ores and gases in hostile space, and should be a newbie-friendly ship for mining. May the delicate, trance-inducing humming of the Miner II be with you Luke.
betoli
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#305 - 2012-10-31 18:31:18 UTC
Mara Tessidar wrote:
Ehhhh....5000 m3 is a bit much for a frigate.


Yeah that was my thought.
betoli
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#306 - 2012-10-31 18:35:37 UTC
Lathera Hen wrote:
i think its a way to balence out a situation where miners are getiing ganked at increesing frequency, and the supply chain for rare matirials is getting dirupted to much, the +2 wcs will on some lvl balence it out a bit so that some epiriansed miners will be able to increese suplly of those matirials


Bollocks. the minieral cost gradient is nowhere near *steep* enough, we don't want a volume increase in rare mineral supply, we need an increased requirement to push up revenues for nullsec miners.
Dave stark
#307 - 2012-11-03 17:06:49 UTC
is there any word on the size of this ship? in regards to "can i fit it in my orca?"
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#308 - 2012-11-03 20:21:35 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
is there any word on the size of this ship? in regards to "can i fit it in my orca?"

Well it is a frigate. If it turned out to be too big to fit in an orca, it'd probably be a typo that would get fixed in a few days if not sooner.

I was just thinking, you can't fit a cloaking device AND a probe launcher on this thing. It would be pretty awesome for solo lowsec gas mining if you could do both.

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Dave stark
#309 - 2012-11-04 10:24:16 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
is there any word on the size of this ship? in regards to "can i fit it in my orca?"

Well it is a frigate. If it turned out to be too big to fit in an orca, it'd probably be a typo that would get fixed in a few days if not sooner.

I was just thinking, you can't fit a cloaking device AND a probe launcher on this thing. It would be pretty awesome for solo lowsec gas mining if you could do both.


well obviously a single frig will fit in an empty orca, however i have other ships in there too, i was wondering how big it was with regards to how much spare space i have, personally, in my orca.

sure you can fit both, you just have to give up a gas harvester for it.
Pearl Canopus
#310 - 2012-11-05 16:19:12 UTC
I'm still new in Eve and have a closer look on the newbie situation.

I support the suggestions for a Tech2 Mining Frigate.

If the Mining Frigate will come up with lowest entry level, means a gift for career level 1 mining missions, there is no need to use it for lowsec/0-sec ninja mining. For instance a ninja miner could be colored different. More than the Mining Barges.

A Tech2 ship could take over the use of former mining cruisers like the Caldari Osprey. There might be Tech2 modules to give this Mining Micro Barge a sense. Procurer got a high level defense. Maybe the Tech2 Frig could have some special features for surviving 0-sec but reachable earlier in the game, than a mining barge.

Mining Frigate need Level 1 Skill "ORE Frigate", whats given each starter instead of faction frigate skill on level 3. Last might be nerfed to level 1 or 2 for Newbies.

So a Tech1 frig may have a 1500 m^3 ore cargohold, whats really nice for entry level. Tech2 could have up to 5000m^3.

The Tech2 Ore Frigate requires the Ore Frigate Level 5 (3x multiplicator). Remember level 1 is given for all.
ORE Industrial Skill may need ORE frigate level 3 or 4.
serras bang
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#311 - 2012-11-05 16:29:59 UTC
Pearl Canopus wrote:
I'm still new in Eve and have a closer look on the newbie situation.

I support the suggestions for a Tech2 Mining Frigate.

If the Mining Frigate will come up with lowest entry level, means a gift for career level 1 mining missions, there is no need to use it for lowsec/0-sec ninja mining. For instance a ninja miner could be colored different. More than the Mining Barges.

A Tech2 ship could take over the use of former mining cruisers like the Caldari Osprey. There might be Tech2 modules to give this Mining Micro Barge a sense. Procurer got a high level defense. Maybe the Tech2 Frig could have some special features for surviving 0-sec but reachable earlier in the game, than a mining barge.

Mining Frigate need Level 1 Skill "ORE Frigate", whats given each starter instead of faction frigate skill on level 3. Last might be nerfed to level 1 or 2 for Newbies.

So a Tech1 frig may have a 1500 m^3 ore cargohold, whats really nice for entry level. Tech2 could have up to 5000m^3.

The Tech2 Ore Frigate requires the Ore Frigate Level 5 (3x multiplicator). Remember level 1 is given for all.
ORE Industrial Skill may need ORE frigate level 3 or 4.


tbh the only way there will be another miner is if its for a new mining source or something bigger for gas mining as the move from mining frig to barge to exhumer isnt as steep as what it use to be its self contained
Pearl Canopus
#312 - 2012-11-05 17:30:58 UTC
serras bang wrote:

tbh the only way there will be another miner is if its for a new mining source or something bigger for gas mining as the move from mining frig to barge to exhumer isnt as steep as what it use to be its self contained

Well. Several times I read about the "ore compression" feature. Maybe a deep space miner (for instance a Tech2 frigate) could compress a low quantitiy of ore from its ore cargohold to the regular cargohold... Or the Frig could get a multislot module what can compress a low amount of (common) ore to jetcans as long as the needed fuel is available in cargohold... anything like this.

There might be options, what can make a Tech2 frig more interesting. Gas an ice harvesting too of curse.
If the signature radius of mining frigates is small enough, they might be interesting in lowsec. Moreover they could get an option to fit scan probes or a bonus for finding gravimetric signatures for their onboard scanners.

I'm too much Noob in order to suggest a greater Tech2 (Tech3?) value. There are a lot fine suggestions available in this forum. But the Tech1 value should be nerfed to a trivial mining frig, what is given by agents.


ORE Capital Industrials may process ore, compressed ore and salvaged scrapmetal to minerals. But that's off topic. Sorry for that.
Reticle
Sight Picture
#313 - 2012-11-05 20:20:09 UTC
Needs more regular cargo hold space. I envision fitting for travel and then swapping my fit when I get to my destination station. A 50m3 cargo hold is laughably small. Could use another low and another high to expand its abilities as a long range sort of scout miner. If it's intended for more ninja style ops, it definitely needs something to help it out a bit.
HellsMarch Brundlbizzl
Controlled Chemical Exposure Ltd.
#314 - 2012-11-06 01:59:03 UTC
hm......i there a list with the needed minerals to produce the frigate?
GetSirrus
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#315 - 2012-11-06 03:57:40 UTC
CCP Ytterbium, where (and when) will the BPO for the Mining Frig be available?

My current assumption would be Outer Ring Ex, in Cloud Ring null, and the 4th December.
Buzzy Warstl
Quantum Flux Foundry
#316 - 2012-11-06 14:40:22 UTC
It's going to be such a fundamental ship that the BPO's should be available throughout space. I'd suggest a special arrangement with Quafe (maybe even with 2 separate BPO's so the Quafe licensed version will be produced in Quafe colors rather than ORE colors).

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Sean Parisi
Blackrise Vanguard
#317 - 2012-11-06 14:47:21 UTC
The format of this ship seems very clean and to the point. It is able to excel as a gas harvester, low skill minor or even a low sec miner / null mining platform. What I really like about this ship is assuming it is cheap in price, it can act as a stepping stone for combat corporations to have some level of "production" and get people into mining without a massive skill investment. Encourage cheap 'low sec' / 'null' mining operations that may get them accustomed to the situation to bring in more heavy duty ships. It will also encourage people to drop into wormholes with a cheap fleet to mine gas or ore and return back.
Sean Parisi
Blackrise Vanguard
#318 - 2012-11-06 14:51:43 UTC
Zyella Stormborn wrote:
I don't see any real need or fit for ORE destroyer or bc, but I have to admit, I think a BS class ORE ship would be great. Needed? probably not. But the idea of a Battle Ship class exhumer that could go out solo into deeper space and hold its own solo op with enough ore hold to be out for a while is a great concept.

Almost like a Rorq / Exhumer mix of some form, that does not do either job quite as well, but is capable of doing both in a limited fashion (ex: You can compress ores you mine, as you mine them, but are not able to compress other ore that is put into the bay from other ships / already present. It is part of the actual mining process of the ship. This would prevent it from taking the Rorq's role, yet still allow it to hold much more in its ore bay than others might. Only allow the ship in low or 0.0 space still, to prevent high sec compression. Just a concept idea).

So many other things in game to fix / balance which should take priority though. ;P

~Z


A "Behemoth" is what I would call such a thing. A heavy, slow vulnerable ship - With a good tank and large cargo bay that is similar to an Orca but without the utility. Essentially a large ore guzzling, asteroid destroying creature. The only issue would be acknowledging what trade offs it would have to have in order to encourage use of other vessels as well.

I personally would love to see a variety of industrial focused ships that all have a purpose and place in the universe. Whether it is mini jump transport ships or whatever else. Just something that could stimulate industry and provide alternatives to the current way of doing things. This is why I personally look forward to the addition of ring mining as it brings forward to us a new dynamic playstyle that will allow tech 2 invention to split off from monopolizing alliances (to a degree) while also allowing new ships with new roles to be developed!
Pearl Canopus
#319 - 2012-11-09 10:16:26 UTC
There are a lot of interesting ideas and suggestions.

We have some factions in Eve (InterBus [primary transport], ORE [primary industrials], Syndicate [Smuggling, Offering Races], Concord [navy items]) which could have technical advantages. Moreover there are big NPC companies (for instance Quafe).

When I read sentences like:
Quote:
Thukkers like to be on the move, constantly going from one solar system to another in their huge caravans, trading and scavenging.
then I see modified standard ships for nomadic life. So "mobile POS" could become available in future. Whoever will produce the needed parts for.

So this thread could be too close on ORE side, in order to bring wider ideas to life.
This also could mean ships for Special Forces (Infantry) assistance or more non military, planetary interaction.
So this could be more specialized or more modular universalized ships.

Not only the ORE faction can have nice ships. But their ships IMHO should have more industrial usability.
CCP Ytterbium
C C P
C C P Alliance
#320 - 2012-11-09 11:34:25 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Ytterbium
GetSirrus wrote:
CCP Ytterbium, where (and when) will the BPO for the Mining Frig be available?

My current assumption would be Outer Ring Ex, in Cloud Ring null, and the 4th December.


Yes, the BPO will be seeded from ORE as usual. We trust players will quickly buy and manufacture them to make a profit with Retribution.

Also, it is always delicious to have a few of these blueprints fall to gate camps when trying to smuggle them back to trade hubs Twisted.