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CCP Focuses on EVE Universe - A CCP Announcement

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Largo Coronet
Perkone
Caldari State
#461 - 2011-10-20 00:45:27 UTC
So lemme get this straight:

You want to focus on EVE, and you fired most of the community team making it possible for you to get proper feedback to do so. Meanwhile, you continue to give a paycheck to useless mouthpiece and general tool CCP Zulu.

I repeat a question I've asked elsewhere about Zulu:

Does he swallow?

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Rancyin
Balls Deep Inc.
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#462 - 2011-10-20 00:54:39 UTC
Back on track once again.

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Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
#463 - 2011-10-20 00:56:22 UTC
Largo LaGrande wrote:
Shu Jia wrote:
walking in station is a must without jeopardize the real value of gameplay in eve.



Walking in stations was just implemented here so eve can test it as guinea pigs for dust and WOD to get all the kinks out


The Wis engine is the same as they intended to use for WoD (part of the Carbon project).

As we (and CCP) noted the WiS/Carbon/WoD engine is not ready for serious deployment and needs more time, or maybe even a complete recode, before it can be used for anything but gimmicks.

Dust on the other hand is intended to run on a different platform using an established engine, so no connection to WiS.

CCP Greyscale: As to starbases, we agree it's pretty terrible, but we don't want to delay the entire release just for this one factor.
Asayanami Dei
Adhocracy Incorporated
Adhocracy
#464 - 2011-10-20 00:59:18 UTC
Lykouleon wrote:
I can't say I see the logic in firing some of the core back-bone of the community development team, especially in a time when the community has reacted in a way where we've lost significant faith in CCP as a company.

In the long-run, this will probably be a good move for CCP financially. However, that's only if the community doesn't collapse at this point since too few people are talking directly with us.

The community development team does a lot more than just forum moderation and shiny posts and duly deserves the credit for their hard work promoting our overall EVE community to the outside world. Guard, Phantom, Navigator, Manifest, and Spitfire are going to have a lot of work on their hands now.

At this point, all I can do is wish the best to those that, unfortunately, will be leaving CCP and hope that they stay active in our community (if not the direct one, at least the extended one). Sympathies to the guys and gals at CCP who had to see their friends and co-workers receive this bad news.

Lets just hope this horrid turn of events wasn't a waste and something "passably" decent will come from it.

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Pr1ncess Alia
Doomheim
#465 - 2011-10-20 01:05:43 UTC
It's never good to hear people losing their jobs. But actions do have consequences.

One thing is for certain, if this was a traditionally run Japanese company I can tell you who's job would be the first to go. I guarantee you that man is in no risk of losing his.

Best of luck to those of you who are now job hunting.

I hope we all learned a valuable lesson from the last few months. That lesson being: the plebs aren't as dumb as you would like. We pay for a product with certain expectations and if those expectations aren't met we stop paying.

I like the direction you're going CCP, if this winter expansion meets my expectations I'll actually reactive my billing.
David Grogan
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#466 - 2011-10-20 01:20:43 UTC
maybe all the laid off people can band together and make a rival game to eve online

Everytime you buy something that says "made in china" you are helping the rising unemployment in your own country unless you are from china, Buy locally produced goods and help create more jobs.
Pent'nor
#467 - 2011-10-20 01:22:45 UTC
I support this move. I love the future vision of dust/eve and want incarna to actually be finished. The only reason why I keep my subscription is because CCP has such a wonderful future vision and i'm willing to support them. There is so much that I expect incarna to be and the changes to the game play for coming expansions sound cool, but I also don't want it to take years to actually finish an expansion or even worse, only half way finish it. Focus on the eve universe and get these things done and done right.
Jokerface666
Intergalactic Expeditionary Corp
#468 - 2011-10-20 01:30:29 UTC
tbh i like the idea and i totally understand why this is happening, CCP was working on the cliff with money... now as the subs have droped... whooops ISK is missing....

As Hilmar has stated and i REALLY hope this has happend or will happen SOON, the management was changed for professionals, and not for people who are making the best jokes.


This is happening to a lot of companys where the income is raising constantly over the years, the feeling of unstopaple starts to grow, at some point the company starts to balance on the cliff of of profit to push stuff forward asap.
when something goes bad, investors eject themselfe first, and then there is a huge financial gap which has to be closed.
As employees are the biggest expense of a company, the final but sad result of such things is people getting fired.

tbth: 20 % is not that bad, i've seen companys reduce staff by 50 - 60 % to get back on the road.

i really feel sorry for all the good people liek fallout lossing theyr job, i do not know why people like fallout have lost they're job, and i am not going to judge, couse i do not know whats going on internaly.
Headerman
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#469 - 2011-10-20 01:35:53 UTC
I just hope that CCP will continue to have World of Darkness as a goal. i think that game could be incredibly popular. Weather it is released sooner or later, i for one will be eagerly awaiting to play/pay it.

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Sylthi
Coreward Pan-Galactic
#470 - 2011-10-20 01:36:37 UTC
So, the corporate dumbsizing has NOTHING at ALL to do with the major loan CCP has due in under 10 days that according to their own financials they CAN'T pay???? RIIIIIIGHT.........

Anyway, on a more somber note, to this announcement I say a gigantic: GOOD.

Maybe this will put the fear of the almighty CONSUMER in CCP's belly for ONCE. i.e. You don't give people what they want long enough, they eventually stop giving you their money. It really is THAT simple. Problem is, can you convince them to START giving you their money again? Something tells me that is going to be a harder sell.

My only regret and sympathy in all of this is that the guys in the trenches are the ones who are going to get the axe in the neck, not the fat cat's who's mistakes and arrogance is actually to blame for this mess. I mean, did the fat cat's ever think of taking a major PAY CUT rather than laying off dozens of the little guys? I mean, that could have spared at least a couple jobs, right? Nah. Didn't think THAT would have occurred to them. Or, how about making DEEP cuts in ADMINISTRATION rather than PRODUCTION staff? I mean Atlanta is primarily that, PRODUCTION, right?? Again, yeah, didn't think THAT would occur to them either.

I also love the "everything is fine" part of the announcement. I mean, this is such an oxymoron it's not even funny. After all, if "everything is fine" why are you laying off 1 in 5 workers?

I am starting to think CCP has a group pathological liar syndrome.... they can't help it.... they MUST lie to us or they feel their job isn't done. I wonder, is there a name for that? When a GROUP of people are pathological liars......?

Anyway, that's just my greatly devalued .02 isk.

Back to my hole.

Peace all.
Obsidian Hawk
RONA Midgard Academy
#471 - 2011-10-20 01:39:11 UTC
For all of those who are rage quitting. You are just making the situation worse. When money stops coming in, people are let go. By emo rage quitting more subs you are going to force them to make more cut backs and cut out more people we love.

Keep your subs going, get your friends into the game and bring life back to it. Once we get more people back into game, CCP can rehire many of the ones they let go.

BUT TO DO THIS they will need the support of the entire community, hell maybe even buy a plex and get something from the store.

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Also please support graphical immersion, bring back the art that brought people to EvE online originaly.
Jokerface666
Intergalactic Expeditionary Corp
#472 - 2011-10-20 01:48:52 UTC
Obsidian Hawk wrote:
For all of those who are rage quitting. You are just making the situation worse. When money stops coming in, people are let go. By emo rage quitting more subs you are going to force them to make more cut backs and cut out more people we love.

Keep your subs going, get your friends into the game and bring life back to it. Once we get more people back into game, CCP can rehire many of the ones they let go.

BUT TO DO THIS they will need the support of the entire community, hell maybe even buy a plex and get something from the store.


ehm no... even if 1 plex would save one job, i am not going to use this ****, that startet all this. sounds harsh, but thats life.
good people will find jobs pretty easy, bad people won't and it's good eve got rid of them.. sounds harsh too, yeah but thats life.
Dawn Harbinger
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#473 - 2011-10-20 01:52:31 UTC
Best wishes to those who are moving on, thanks for your hard work in helping to develop something we all love and enjoy.

Fly safe.
Mike Azariah
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#474 - 2011-10-20 02:01:28 UTC
I never like to see people lose their jobs and the tweets are beginning to show that not all of them are WoD.

To those who are going and have helped make the game the addictive thing it is, to those who are staying and wondering if this is the cuts or just the first wave . . .

thank you

m

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Princess Kaalar
Princess Kaalar Corporation
#475 - 2011-10-20 02:26:46 UTC
To CCP, I extend my wishes to all of you who were laid off during one of the most difficult times in the world's history. With many countries suffering economic problems even here in the US, time will get better in the future.
Godspeed to those we really loved and respected, even when we didn't agree on some things.

As far as refocusing on Eve is concerned I will wait till the winter release before I return to see what happens. I been following the forums recently and quite shocked at whats been going on, all I can say is best of luck to all for the future of Eve and CCP.
John'eh
Asteroid Belt Protection Services
#476 - 2011-10-20 02:35:47 UTC  |  Edited by: John'eh
I'm reading this and laughing so hard my gf rushed into the room asking whats going on, because I said the exact same thing to CCP Sr leadership and warned them this would happen, to the peoples faces at the Atlanta office, about a year or so ago when I was brought in by very sr. people at CCP.

Why I was there is not important.... but now they are admitting publicly that I was right, that they were wrong, that they should have listened to me. Imagine what CCP would be like today if they had?

Maybe with this wake-up call, CCP leadership can be a little less out of touch.

Just think of this Helmar, your people knew this would happen, because I told them it would happen about a year ago, and I was ignored. All this pain, all that soul searching, and the fact that you just had to look bad in public, was because of these people and you who didn't listen. You could have saved yourself some trouble if you had listened to the people who had cared about eve enough to be honest with you in the first place, but you didn't. Now you lost a lot of subscribers, you have massive debts and the balance sheet looks terrible.

I was right. You were wrong.. and at least your admitting it now. So what else are you going to do?
Andrea Griffin
#477 - 2011-10-20 02:39:28 UTC
I don't understand how firing people will make things better. Doesn't that mean less resources available for the important things? The art people from WoD could do art for Eve, any software guys could start working with the Carbon technology in a production environment, the sound guys could do some cool stuff, etc., etc. Really a shame to see anyone at all lose their jobs. Was the monetary blow from lost subs that severe?

CCP Sreegs is my favorite developer.
John'eh
Asteroid Belt Protection Services
#478 - 2011-10-20 02:45:02 UTC
Andrea Griffin wrote:
I don't understand how firing people will make things better. Doesn't that mean less resources available for the important things? The art people from WoD could do art for Eve, any software guys could start working with the Carbon technology in a production environment, the sound guys could do some cool stuff, etc., etc. Really a shame to see anyone at all lose their jobs. Was the monetary blow from lost subs that severe?



It means more money to work on things they they need to get done. Less employees means less expenses in the long term, and that's important because their budget and balance sheet looks like crap and they have some big debts they are trying to restructure.
wicked cheese
Doomheim
#479 - 2011-10-20 02:48:11 UTC
John'eh wrote:
Why I was there is not important.... but now they are admitting publicly that I was right, that they were wrong, that they should have listened to me. Imagine what CCP would be like today if they had agreed to my terms so I would have let them hire me?


so you tried to join a company that you predicted was going to end up laying you off soon? and have the audacity to claim you were worth to much money? bravo
Reiisha
#480 - 2011-10-20 02:57:10 UTC
Firing the wrong people.

Nuff said.

If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all...