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A serious impasse' for a three-month player

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Paragon Renegade
Sebiestor Tribe
#1 - 2011-10-19 23:26:32 UTC
(I posted this in general, but since all they do is complain, get people fired & never do anything useful, I'm posting here)

(jk)

Hola fellow complainers!

I was just thinking about what I'll be training over the next few months after I'm maxed with abilities for Exhumers/Modulated Strips (Belt pwning ftw) and I'm torn between two decisions on what to do next, although I intend to do both (Eventually)

Should I go for Gallente Battleships or Minmatar? I'm racially Minmatar, so my projectile turrets are up, and I could get the Typhoon in a few days and fit it minimally in a week; then I have a Gallente option (Chosen over Caldari/Amarr mostly because Minmatar & Gallente mutual bonuses) and I was thinking of getting a Megathron and perhaps later a Machariel (however you spell that) after I get both.

Any suggestions from your experience on what I should get? (I'm mostly going for PvP in Lowsec & possibly Null later)

Any help beyond the expected "Get better", "Don't be bad" & "Scrub" would be welcome :3

The pie is a tautology
rsyada7
Operation WormBear
#2 - 2011-10-19 23:52:00 UTC  |  Edited by: rsyada7
I think it really depends on who you plan on flying with. Each corp has it's own opinion of what is considered the best race and therefore the best ships. It also depends on how far you want to look into the future. I personally would go with Gallente as armor tanking (in my experiences) tends to be more frequent and their Logi ship is always in high demand.

A lot of null warfare, both big and small, turns to tech2 cruisers so maybe you want to look there as well. The Oneiros (armor logi) is always in demand in any armor fleet and an Arazu is another great ship for med-small gang warfare.

As far as battle ships go, a domi has wonderful RR capabilities while simultaneously being able to field nice dps with drones, skills which you will need to kill rats in asteroid belts anyway. It also happens to be very cheap. If you think you have a carrier in your future, than Gallente works out well as a thanny is a wonderful ship and probably the most frequently fielded carrier. Without any more details I think this is all I can say, I hope this helps.
Paragon Renegade
Sebiestor Tribe
#3 - 2011-10-20 00:02:07 UTC
rsyada7 wrote:
I think it really depends on who you plan on flying with. Each corp has it's own opinion of what is considered the best race and therefore the best ships. It also depends on how far you want to look into the future. I personally would go with Gallente as armor tanking (in my experiences) tends to be more frequent and their Logi ship is always in high demand.

A lot of null warfare, both big and small, turns to tech2 cruisers so maybe you want to look there as well. The Oneiros (armor logi) is always in demand in any armor fleet and an Arazu is another great ship for med-small gang warfare.

As far as battle ships go, a domi has wonderful RR capabilities while simultaneously being able to field nice dps with drones, skills which you will need to kill rats in asteroid belts anyway. It also happens to be very cheap. If you think you have a carrier in your future, than Gallente works out well as a thanny is a wonderful ship and probably the most frequently fielded carrier. Without any more details I think this is all I can say, I hope this helps.


Thanks!

Would you go for the Dominix as you said or go for a Megathron?

The pie is a tautology
rsyada7
Operation WormBear
#4 - 2011-10-20 00:18:01 UTC
That's really dependent on the alliance you join. A Dominix is less SP intensive and has a decent tank. A lot of people I know swear they are the best ship in the game (though they exaggerate) . It's definitely a lot of bang for your buck.
If you go domi, gunnery skills are still worth the train eventually. If you go mega, drone skills are still nice as well. It really is going to depend on your personal preference. Just know that they are both great ships.

TLDR Ask yourself: Are you a gun person or a drone person?
Sir Substance
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2011-10-20 02:00:23 UTC
I would go dominix, especially over megathron.

Both the dominix and the typhoon are powerful and adaptable ships. The phoon is more damage oriented, and is capable of unleashing the most DPS of any subcapital ship, although it'll be a glass cannon to do so.

The dominix is a sturdy workhorse, and out of every subcapital (and I can fly them all) is by far my most commonly used ship. The value for money is amazing.

The mega, by contrast, is quite limited. If it has support, it can be a very effective ship in many roles, but solo it is handicapped by its powergrid, forcing you to choose between tank and DPS at quite a harsh ratio.

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Lukriss
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2011-10-20 02:24:14 UTC
With the winter expansion coming up, and the hybrids getting looked at I'd go for Gallente, as mentioned earler Domi is awesome, one of, if not the, most versatile battleships in the game.
Kesshisan
#7 - 2011-10-20 04:00:44 UTC
Until you are satisfied with your current setup, do NOT plan for the long term.

If you are happy flying your current fleet of available ships, then train for that Mach. If you're not happy, then plan for something else in the short term. Eventually you'll become content and happy with your current fleet, you will be happy during the transition to your Mach (or whatever your goal is) and you will find yourself much closer to it, too.
Aston Bradley
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2011-10-20 07:33:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Aston Bradley
Minamatar : A greater choice of ships to use for solo PvP

Gallente :

- Dominix for Solo or gang pvp. It's just more versatile. You don't rely on blaster that have a awfull range, and you can choose the drones depending on what you are facing.

- The megathron is very nice in gang/fleet pvp. But useless in solo. You rely too much on blasters and their range are just too bad to make them worth flying alone. You can use railguns, but for much lower dps. The Dominix is better balance of the two. Use a mega for anything but solo PvP.

- The hyperion. Ok it is unloved by many. But don't under estimate that boat. It's much harder to fit than a mega and require more training. But once you have enough SP to fit it right, that boat is a monster in gang pvp fights.

Overall, blaster boats are to be avoided as they rely on fleets to get the targets webbed for them. I would suggest either a dominix or minmatar if you realy want to solo.

That being said, winter should bring changes to blaster boats. So who knows, maybe blaster boats will be the next best thing. But right now, they only shine in a fleet where you have mates to web the targets for you.

[i]FiS should be the priority, but WiS should not be burried!

Don't encourage CCP to make empty promises or Incarna will happen again![/i]
Jenn Makanen
Doomheim
#9 - 2011-10-20 12:36:11 UTC
I'd suggest, if you go down the Minmatar line, to skip the typhoon. At least to start with. It has a 3 damage system requirement (Guns, Missiles and Drones) where as the Maelstrom can be a pure gunboat (maybe with a few drones. but they're a frigate screen)
Paragon Renegade
Sebiestor Tribe
#10 - 2011-10-20 21:08:21 UTC
I'm a bit late back, but thanks! :D

I've been hearing "Get the Domi" more than anything, but to be honest, that thing is ugly as sin. I'm really planning to go anti-pirate in Rancer with about 15 other people..............So Maelstrom or Megathron?

The pie is a tautology
Aston Bradley
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2011-10-20 22:52:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Aston Bradley
Yeah it's little more than a giant potato. Let's hope that it's the next ship to be planned for a reskin. It really needs it.

With 15 other people, the megathron will not disappoint you. If you have the targets webbed by other corps mate, it looses it's biggest disadvantage which is range. Just be carefull with your capacitor, and it's a great boat to fly.

But if you go gallente and have nothing against the look of the hyperion, do give it a try. Don't let the active armor bonus fool you, it's a great damage dealer. The only problem is that it takes more SP to fly well, while the megathron is more accessible and cheaper to fit.

[i]FiS should be the priority, but WiS should not be burried!

Don't encourage CCP to make empty promises or Incarna will happen again![/i]
Muestereate
Minions LLC
#12 - 2011-10-20 23:03:07 UTC
WHats your weekly budget?
Paragon Renegade
Sebiestor Tribe
#13 - 2011-10-21 01:12:00 UTC
Muestereate wrote:
WHats your weekly budget?


Normally 150 million or so, not much, but if I scan down a good grav site, I get a good billion easy with a Hulk.

The pie is a tautology
Karl Planck
Perkone
Caldari State
#14 - 2011-10-21 13:48:11 UTC
Paragon Renegade wrote:
I'm a bit late back, but thanks! :D

I've been hearing "Get the Domi" more than anything, but to be honest, that thing is ugly as sin. I'm really planning to go anti-pirate in Rancer with about 15 other people..............So Maelstrom or Megathron?


I know this is new cit. Q&A, but HAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHHAHAAH. LolLolLolLolLolLolLol You have my sword good sir!

But seriously, there is some good advice in here, the best I have heard is to be happy with what you are doing while you warm up to a new goal, and a BS is probably more of a long term goal than you realize.

I has all the eve inactivity
Kiran
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2011-10-21 15:35:36 UTC
If your really going anti pirate go Tempest.
Its damage output with tech 2 AC's can be insane. And if skilled and flown right will rip any pirates face off.
Kesshisan
#16 - 2011-10-21 16:44:15 UTC
Paragon Renegade wrote:
I've been hearing "Get the Domi" more than anything, but to be honest, that thing is ugly as sin.


Oh the irony.
Paragon Renegade
Sebiestor Tribe
#17 - 2011-10-21 19:35:49 UTC
Kesshisan wrote:
Paragon Renegade wrote:
I've been hearing "Get the Domi" more than anything, but to be honest, that thing is ugly as sin.


Oh the irony.


Sir, I laughed my ass off.

Well done, you win the internetz.

The pie is a tautology
CCP Phantom
C C P
C C P Alliance
#18 - 2011-10-22 13:52:08 UTC
Hello Paragon Renegade,

If you are interested in PVP, you maybe would also want to consider battlecruisers. Especially the turret based battlecruisers are not as skill intense as their battleship counterparts. Additionally the battlecruiser hulls are considerably cheaper than their battleship counterparts.

You might be also interested in the new battlecruisers.

But in the end it all depends on your personal style. You can have fun with all of the ships.

CCP Phantom - Senior Community Developer
Iamien
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#19 - 2011-10-23 21:42:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Iamien
CCP Phantom wrote:
Hello Paragon Renegade,

If you are interested in PVP, you maybe would also want to consider battlecruisers. Especially the turret based battlecruisers are not as skill intense as their battleship counterparts. Additionally the battlecruiser hulls are considerably cheaper than their battleship counterparts.

You might be also interested in the new battlecruisers.

But in the end it all depends on your personal style. You can have fun with all of the ships.



Why are you suggesting the new battlecruisers to the newbie when all we know is the model of one of them and the fact that they will have battleship weapons.

We have no idea about manufacturing cost, requires skills, or anything else.
Zrygthn Azurlm Zharous
Pink Sockers
#20 - 2011-10-23 22:10:31 UTC
testicle.. you can see the price difference between tier 1 and 2 bc? another step up will be the tier 3 bc (so maybe 35mil?). skills: bc 3...not hard to figure out
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