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Reasons why people wont PvP and why its a waste of time for most people
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Natasha Liao
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#121 - 2012-11-08 20:54:44 UTC
Blind Phew wrote:
Karn Dulake wrote:
Christopher AET wrote:
TLDR......You don't pvp because you are bad at it.



No the problem is that im extremely good at PvP (this is my pve alt)

but its mainly predatory PvP against people who dont want it. Look at the Human nature section of the post

If they don't WANT it tough luck, go play something else...

HAHAHAHAHA - now that's funny. How exactly was it CCP phrased that 'If they don't WANT it tough luck, go play something else... during Monoclegate again?...

You're using logic on an internet discussion forum. A rookie mistake, but one you'll soon learn to avoid. -Destiny Corrupted
Dar Manic
Dirt Road Services
#122 - 2012-11-08 20:57:42 UTC
KrakizBad wrote:
Indeed, tell me how to turn of the L4 faucet. I'm all ears.


Why don't you partake of the easy money? This is Eve. Adapt or die. :)

I just don't understand null sec players.

**Please note: **Anytime I use the phrase PvP in a post, I'm talking about shooting/combat/killing things/blowing things up. Thank you.
Dar Manic
Dirt Road Services
#123 - 2012-11-08 20:59:29 UTC
Johnny Spacer wrote:
I don't see why Pvp'ers (like myself) complain about high sec carebears. I personally don't understand why people would play a game to make fake money but hey, that's just me.

Pvp'ers need people to do the crap work. Mining, industry, etc. They are like waterboys, or fluffers, or stockboys at the supermarket.


So many of them are just used to complaining about changes needed for Eve. Most have a 'everything in Eve is pvp' mentality so it just naturally extends from there.

I just don't understand null sec players.

**Please note: **Anytime I use the phrase PvP in a post, I'm talking about shooting/combat/killing things/blowing things up. Thank you.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#124 - 2012-11-08 21:17:57 UTC
Dar Manic wrote:
KrakizBad wrote:
Indeed, tell me how to turn of the L4 faucet. I'm all ears.


Why don't you partake of the easy money? This is Eve. Adapt or die. :)


Tried probing down & ganking all the officer fit Pirate BS's that lvl 4's get run in? Some of the fittings I've seen are crazy, you could make easy profit on them.
HollyShocker 2inthestink
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#125 - 2012-11-08 22:10:58 UTC
Totalrx wrote:
HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:
Killing miners in high-sec is not PVP.



It may not be fighting, but it's still "Player vs Player"


So is competing in the market, so is mining, making stuff cheaper then the next guy. Killing miners in high sec is the lowest form of so called pvp there is. They should call it for what it is....FAIL
Totalrx
NA No Assholes
#126 - 2012-11-08 22:34:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Totalrx
I mined a long time ago. I was told "Never mine alone", but I was still in an NPC Corp.

If mining solo, I would mine in systems where people were running missions. I would offer a bit of ISK to someone who would be in local and could come lend me a hand if I requested the help.

Generally there were one or two who would offer their services. I would send the fleet invite, once accepted, I would send half of the promised ISK, and send the other half once I was finished mining or if they had to leave. Prices were based on the system, the threat, and what I was mining. It was almost always less than 10% of what my yield was going to bring in, but it was free ISK for those who chose to "Standby to Standby"

If mining in low sec, I would make the offer to gate campers. They're out there to kill and make cash. I was paying them for me to be the bait for their kills. It worked out well. I just scouted the system before I flew out there in my barge.

Yes, I got screwed a couple of times, but it paid off overall. Several times, my arse was rescued by players I didn't know and who accepted my request for possible help at a small price.

If a miner gets popped in high sec, it's their own fault for not using the many resources available to them. Eve has never been a single player game.

Miner popping counts as PVP and is only a fail on the miner's part when they do nothing to try and protect themselves from it....except whining on the forum that is lol!
Raptors Mole
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#127 - 2012-11-08 22:48:20 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:


I have so much wild sex that if you touch my sweat you orgasm.


Doesn't count as sex when you are on your own.

.......Back on track, PvP for me is generally a social and fun activity. If both parties are looking for a fight then it's mutal fun. If it's a gank then it's only fun for me. (See above comment about SmilingVagrant).

Conversly it can be more fun doing something with a reward at the end if the activity carries risk - It means the reward is "earned". This is true of whatever activity (PvP or Plexing). So it can be argued that PvPers are enhancing the carebears experience.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#128 - 2012-11-08 22:51:28 UTC
HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:


So is competing in the market, so is mining, making stuff cheaper then the next guy. Killing miners in high sec is the lowest form of so called pvp there is. They should call it for what it is....FAIL


Not our fault miners make it so easy.
HollyShocker 2inthestink
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#129 - 2012-11-09 00:06:47 UTC  |  Edited by: E-2C Hawkeye
Totalrx wrote:
I mined a long time ago. I was told "Never mine alone", but I was still in an NPC Corp.

If mining solo, I would mine in systems where people were running missions. I would offer a bit of ISK to someone who would be in local and could come lend me a hand if I requested the help.

Generally there were one or two who would offer their services. I would send the fleet invite, once accepted, I would send half of the promised ISK, and send the other half once I was finished mining or if they had to leave. Prices were based on the system, the threat, and what I was mining. It was almost always less than 10% of what my yield was going to bring in, but it was free ISK for those who chose to "Standby to Standby"

If mining in low sec, I would make the offer to gate campers. They're out there to kill and make cash. I was paying them for me to be the bait for their kills. It worked out well. I just scouted the system before I flew out there in my barge.

Yes, I got screwed a couple of times, but it paid off overall. Several times, my arse was rescued by players I didn't know and who accepted my request for possible help at a small price.

If a miner gets popped in high sec, it's their own fault for not using the many resources available to them. Eve has never been a single player game.

Miner popping counts as PVP and is only a fail on the miner's part when they do nothing to try and protect themselves from it....except whining on the forum that is lol!


People may feel the need to call it pvp in order to feed their egos or maybe try and make themselves feel better. Killing miners in hi-sec is like using a baseball bat to kill baby seals laying on the beach, they dont fight back either.
HollyShocker 2inthestink
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#130 - 2012-11-09 00:13:12 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:


So is competing in the market, so is mining, making stuff cheaper then the next guy. Killing miners in high sec is the lowest form of so called pvp there is. They should call it for what it is....FAIL


Not our fault miners make it so easy.

Miners didnt make it easy, CCP did. It is your fault if you cant fight other players fitted and able to fight back.
KrakizBad
Section 8.
#131 - 2012-11-09 00:14:29 UTC
HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:


So is competing in the market, so is mining, making stuff cheaper then the next guy. Killing miners in high sec is the lowest form of so called pvp there is. They should call it for what it is....FAIL


Not our fault miners make it so easy.

Miners didnt make it easy, CCP did. It is your fault if you cant fight other players fitted and able to fight back.

They could have mined in a battleship. Yield was more important to them than survivability.
HollyShocker 2inthestink
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#132 - 2012-11-09 00:19:15 UTC
KrakizBad wrote:
HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:


So is competing in the market, so is mining, making stuff cheaper then the next guy. Killing miners in high sec is the lowest form of so called pvp there is. They should call it for what it is....FAIL


Not our fault miners make it so easy.

Miners didnt make it easy, CCP did. It is your fault if you cant fight other players fitted and able to fight back.

They could have mined in a battleship. Yield was more important to them than survivability.


Those are gankable and also made fun of. Seen couple of BS kill mails of guys mining in a BS.
HollyShocker 2inthestink
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#133 - 2012-11-09 00:20:53 UTC
The day I have to kill a hi-sec miner to feel better about myself or feed my ego will be the day I unsub form EVE.
Johan Civire
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#134 - 2012-11-09 01:02:59 UTC
Serf of Hurlbat wrote:
Gogela wrote:
Dar Manic wrote:
"DUST is looking better... welp, off to play Halo. Get it? "

Can I have your stuff?

Why would I ever have to unsub? Honestly? I will never unsub. The game can burn to the ground, I could be the only one logging in, and I'd still sub because I'm rich, b****! (in internet spaceships anyway)

If I ever did rage quit, I would just detonate omgwtf expensive ship after omgwtf expensive ship in front of jita 4-4 until I was broke to spite you anyway, and than recycle. ...because I care about the environment. P


I'll be with EVE until EVE shuts down, and then I'll follow CCP to their next game. It is very rare that you find talented and passionate people like the CCP, and it is important the community sticks with them.


Not always see *blizzard what the have done to there games...
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#135 - 2012-11-09 05:47:43 UTC
HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:
The day I have to kill a hi-sec miner to feel better about myself or feed my ego will be the day I unsub form EVE.


No matter what excuse I might use to justify it.
Anya Ohaya
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#136 - 2012-11-09 06:42:18 UTC
I've spent more hours PVPing in Guild Wars 2 than in all the years I've been playing EVE. Partly it's the lower death "cost" (including time to get back into the fight). Partly it's the ease of finding a fight in the first place. Partly I guess it's the reduced learning curve.

People say EVE is a "PVP game". I don't think that term means what they think it means.
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#137 - 2012-11-09 06:42:46 UTC
PvP is a waste of time you could be spent doing other EvE things.
EvE is a waste of time that could be spent playing other video games.
Video games are a waste of time you could be spending at school
School is a waste of time you could be spending partying.
Partying is a waste of time you could be spending working.
Working is a waste of time you could be spending enjoying life.
Enjoying life is a waste of time you could be spending engaging in romance.
Engaging in romance is a waste of time if you're not settling down & having kids.
Having kids is a waste of time when the sun is still going to burn out & destroy the planet in a few billion years anyway.

"If our society seems more nihilistic than that of previous eras, perhaps this is simply a sign of our maturity as a sentient species. As our collective consciousness expands beyond a crucial point, we are at last ready to accept life's fundamental truth: that life's only purpose is life itself."

Since everything is a waste of time, you may as waste it doing something that you enjoy.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0
Asuka Solo
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#138 - 2012-11-09 07:55:17 UTC
KrakizBad wrote:
HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:


So is competing in the market, so is mining, making stuff cheaper then the next guy. Killing miners in high sec is the lowest form of so called pvp there is. They should call it for what it is....FAIL


Not our fault miners make it so easy.

Miners didnt make it easy, CCP did. It is your fault if you cant fight other players fitted and able to fight back.

They could have mined in a battleship. Yield was more important to them than survivability.


Says a person who can pvp in a barge... but damage & cost is more important than moral high ground... amirite?

Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!
Dar Manic
Dirt Road Services
#139 - 2012-11-09 14:11:45 UTC
HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:
Totalrx wrote:
I mined a long time ago. I was told "Never mine alone", but I was still in an NPC Corp.

If mining solo, I would mine in systems where people were running missions. I would offer a bit of ISK to someone who would be in local and could come lend me a hand if I requested the help.

Generally there were one or two who would offer their services. I would send the fleet invite, once accepted, I would send half of the promised ISK, and send the other half once I was finished mining or if they had to leave. Prices were based on the system, the threat, and what I was mining. It was almost always less than 10% of what my yield was going to bring in, but it was free ISK for those who chose to "Standby to Standby"

If mining in low sec, I would make the offer to gate campers. They're out there to kill and make cash. I was paying them for me to be the bait for their kills. It worked out well. I just scouted the system before I flew out there in my barge.

Yes, I got screwed a couple of times, but it paid off overall. Several times, my arse was rescued by players I didn't know and who accepted my request for possible help at a small price.

If a miner gets popped in high sec, it's their own fault for not using the many resources available to them. Eve has never been a single player game.

Miner popping counts as PVP and is only a fail on the miner's part when they do nothing to try and protect themselves from it....except whining on the forum that is lol!

People may feel the need to call it pvp in order to feed their egos or maybe try and make themselves feel better. Killing miners in hi-sec is like using a baseball bat to kill baby seals laying on the beach, they dont fight back either.


This.

I just don't understand null sec players.

**Please note: **Anytime I use the phrase PvP in a post, I'm talking about shooting/combat/killing things/blowing things up. Thank you.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#140 - 2012-11-09 14:18:21 UTC
Karrl Tian wrote:
Grapez wrote:
PvP stats should decide nullsec sovereignty, not anchorable structures. Then, PvP would mean something.


So....if I kill enough of my alts in expensive enough ships I get my own nullspace?

it's too obvious and easy.

The real Question is: how to claim territory noone want? In this case noone will have reasons to go there and provide owners by pvp. And claim will be impossible to get Big smile

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"