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LowKey Ops Shadow Cartel 169
Dervinus LowKey Ops Shadow Cartel Likes received: 169	#21 - 2012-11-08 17:06:32 UTC CCP Soundwave wrote: Free from the shackles of dec shielding Going back to their roots pvping in highsec o7 toonies

Anya Solette

Federal Navy Academy

Gallente Federation

Likes received: 33

#22 - 2012-11-08 17:40:09 UTC

Lucy Ferrr wrote:

So I am confused, are Goons/TEST trapped or not? I really hope they are, it would be great news for us all. If Goons are trapped in Dec Shield, expect a quick-fix patch fixing the broken war dec mechanics by down time tomorrow. Remember how speedy the 'fix' for Inferno war-dec dog piling came?

goons dont care about highsec wars. we do all our highsec stuff on out of alliance alts, just like any other eve player with half a brain

Binaerie Heavy Industries 137
Clystan Binaerie Heavy Industries Likes received: 137	#23 - 2012-11-08 18:02:20 UTC Nerf trapping!

Johan Civire

Caldari Provisions

Caldari State

Likes received: 1,190

#24 - 2012-11-08 18:04:21 UTC

The Zerg Overmind wrote:

These are lies. Whoever spreads such libel should be shot.

TEST joined Dec Shield with a corp to siphon off all 180 wars, they then selectively unmutualled all but the ones they wanted. That transfer corp with the 9 mutual wars they wanted then joined their alliance. This was completely intentional by them, and those wars are defensive in nature. Thus they are not trapped, nor can they be trapped by this.

Goonswarm wardecced "Manifest Destiny" alliance, who Dec Shield already has trapped. Manifest Destiny is in 30+ wars, including against dead corporations. Any transfer corps that attempt to leave Manifest Destiny will be trapped in inescapable outgoing wars, and thus be unable to spread Goonswarm's wars to other entities. Dec Shield couldn't even trap Goonswarm if we wanted to.

To express rage/concern go here:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=156437

To support the solution to these messed up mechanics go here:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=157449

You mad?

Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 368
Rellik B00n Republic Military School Minmatar Republic Likes received: 368	#25 - 2012-11-08 20:43:51 UTC 1 WOAH THERE! put the brakes on this 'fix' bs! EvE with unlimited allies for no cost was 100% great, then it got nerfed. EvE with unlimited unescapable wars is great, please DO NOT NERF! Dec Shield - 2012s Privateer alliance. `[Of a request for change ask: Who Benefits?](https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=199765)`


Rellik B00n Republic Military School Minmatar Republic Likes received: 368	#26 - 2012-11-08 20:50:47 UTC CCP Soundwave wrote: Free from the shackles of dec shielding also: no `[Of a request for change ask: Who Benefits?](https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=199765)`

Aliastra Gallente Federation 521
Mortimer Civeri Aliastra Gallente Federation Likes received: 521	#27 - 2012-11-08 21:18:39 UTC 1 Well colour me surprised, Dec Shield tears. "I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin

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Julius Priscus Likes received: 352	#28 - 2012-11-08 21:33:11 UTC 2 real pvpers wont care less about dec shields exploits. targets are targets


Rellik B00n Republic Military School Minmatar Republic Likes received: 368	#29 - 2012-11-08 22:40:04 UTC Mortimer Civeri wrote: Well colour me surprised, Dec Shield tears. where? `[Of a request for change ask: Who Benefits?](https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=199765)`

Rule Reversal 688
The Zerg Overmind Rule Reversal Likes received: 688	#30 - 2012-11-08 23:30:20 UTC Ya, my wording might not have been the most clear. But we're working WITH Goonswarm and TEST. We don't want to trap them. This post was about attention whoring, raising awareness, and dispelling a bunch of weird rumors going around Burn Highsec Griefers

Arduemont

Rotten Legion

Likes received: 3,200

#31 - 2012-11-08 23:58:28 UTC

Zerg here has been campaigning for the "Mutual Trapping" to be fixed almost as soon as it started.

I would hardly call this thread "Tears" on their behalf. Its basically just campaigning to get it fixed. Which, I fully support.

The fact a corp can join an alliance who can then call it mutual is ridiculous. The war wasn't declared against them, they shouldn't be able to make it mutual. If a corp at war joins an alliance it should give up the right to make that war mutual.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf

Silk daShocka

Greasy Hair Club

Likes received: 356

#32 - 2012-11-09 00:03:39 UTC

The Zerg Overmind wrote:

Ya, my wording might not have been the most clear. But we're working WITH Goonswarm and TEST. We don't want to trap them. This post was about attention whoring, raising awareness, and dispelling a bunch of weird rumors going around

Wouldn't trapping both Goons and TEST be the most effective way to get CCP to do something about the "problem"?


The Zerg Overmind Rule Reversal Likes received: 688	#33 - 2012-11-09 00:09:50 UTC Ya it would be, but I can't get their wars even if I wanted to. TEST has no outgoing wars, and Goonswarm's war can't be spread to another alliance. Burn Highsec Griefers

PlanetCorp InterStellar 1,151
Val'Dore PlanetCorp InterStellar Likes received: 1,151	#34 - 2012-11-09 00:28:07 UTC We are also immune to Dec Shield. Star Jump Drive A new way to traverse the galaxy. I invented Tiericide

Alavaria Fera

GoonWaffe

Likes received: 6,953

#35 - 2012-11-09 01:10:12 UTC

The Zerg Overmind wrote:

Ya it would be, but I can't get their wars even if I wanted to. TEST has no outgoing wars, and Goonswarm's war can't be spread to another alliance.

Aww sorry about that.

How would we go about being trapped by you?

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The Zerg Overmind Rule Reversal Likes received: 688	#36 - 2012-11-09 01:11:51 UTC Alavaria Fera wrote: The Zerg Overmind wrote: Ya it would be, but I can't get their wars even if I wanted to. TEST has no outgoing wars, and Goonswarm's war can't be spread to another alliance. Aww sorry about that. How would we go about being trapped by you? If you could wardec me directly that'd be great. k thx :P Burn Highsec Griefers

Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 110
Orzo Torasson Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic Likes received: 110	#37 - 2012-11-09 04:40:07 UTC This would probably matter if we ever went into highsec. If you want to shoot us, you know where we all are. No need to stream tears about how you can't wardec and then camp a highsec gate for four days to maybe catch some pubbie and his freighter being dumb.

Shederov Blood

Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company

Likes received: 1,723

#38 - 2012-11-09 05:02:17 UTC

Orzo Torasson wrote:

This would probably matter if we ever went into highsec.
If you want to shoot us, you know where we all are. No need to stream tears about how you can't wardec and then camp a highsec gate for four days to maybe catch some pubbie and his freighter being dumb.

I might believe wars didn't matter to you or your alliance if you weren't using Dec Shield to get free wars.

Who put the goat in there?

Doomheim 6
SassyLassy Doomheim Likes received: 6	#39 - 2012-11-09 05:12:06 UTC Oh! you can trap goons just find out who their alts are. get some sucidal tornados ready and trap their freighters in jita when they undock full of billions in isk. or keep shooting their pods. :D EFT warriors are amuseing.