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Reasons why people wont PvP and why its a waste of time for most people
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LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#101 - 2012-11-08 17:43:34 UTC
Merovee wrote:
Get rid of free hanger space. reduce cost in lower sec regions. limits to services in stations. Why move around when you can have it all in a few systems? Get rid of the looong jump gates. Add high taxes in higher sec regions, a progressive tax, to gradually move players down the sec ladder. etc. etc.Roll



People that dislike PVP will quit the game long before they "move down the sec ladder". Why do you want CCP to lose money?

Even if you did all these things, it would just move the carebears that didn't drop, out under the protection of the 0.0 mega alliances.

There is simply no way to get people to move out to dangerous space where they can easily be ganked by the "small roaming bands" all day and all night.
Blind Phew
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#102 - 2012-11-08 17:49:16 UTC
Karn Dulake wrote:
Christopher AET wrote:
TLDR......You don't pvp because you are bad at it.



No the problem is that im extremely good at PvP (this is my pve alt)

but its mainly predatory PvP against people who dont want it. Look at the Human nature section of the post

If they don't WANT it tough luck, go play something else...
Grapez
Moviintti
#103 - 2012-11-08 18:01:32 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:

This.

I started to wonder if people who come up with the bright ideas ever stop to think "hey, maybe things exist in their current form for a good reason" before posting. Then i realized I already knew the answer before even asking the question lol.


https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2146580#post2146580
Oopsy Bear
Doomheim
#104 - 2012-11-08 18:01:56 UTC
Angeal MacNova wrote:
L4's is also where most low/null sec pvp'ers farm their isk to fund their pvp which brings me to what I believe the number one reason why most people, in a game centered around making isk, don't bother to pvp. It's not profitable for most.


Yep. While game mechanics being fun is certainly important, at the end of the day many people follow the isk and there simply isn't any isk to be had in pvp for a large percentage of the eve population. Call them bad if you want it doesn't change the fact that if you modify game mechanics to force them to engage in something that isn't going to make them isk then many will simply leave eve for another game. And that doesn't solve anyone's pvp problem now does it.
Dar Manic
Dirt Road Services
#105 - 2012-11-08 18:11:44 UTC
Note to players: everything in Eve is pvp. If you play Eve then you are pvp'ing. This thread should be locked because of this. ;)









notice the ;)... this means sarcasm

I just don't understand null sec players.

**Please note: **Anytime I use the phrase PvP in a post, I'm talking about shooting/combat/killing things/blowing things up. Thank you.
HollyShocker 2inthestink
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#106 - 2012-11-08 19:37:32 UTC  |  Edited by: E-2C Hawkeye
Killing miners in high-sec is not PVP.
Totalrx
NA No Assholes
#107 - 2012-11-08 19:48:26 UTC
HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:
Killing miners in high-sec is not PVP.



It may not be fighting, but it's still "Player vs Player"
Johnny Spacer
dz crew
#108 - 2012-11-08 20:09:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Johnny Spacer
I don't see why Pvp'ers (like myself) complain about high sec carebears. I personally don't understand why people would play a game to make fake money but hey, that's just me.

Pvp'ers need people to do the crap work. Mining, industry, etc. They are like waterboys, or fluffers, or stockboys at the supermarket.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#109 - 2012-11-08 20:24:30 UTC
Johnny Spacer wrote:
I personally don't understand why people would play a game to make fake money but hey, that's just me.

Same could be said about fake spaceship kills, fake sov empires, etc. We are after all playing a game.
KrakizBad
Section 8.
#110 - 2012-11-08 20:27:32 UTC
Johnny Spacer wrote:
Pvp'ers need people to do the crap work. Mining, industry, etc. They are like waterboys, or fluffers, or stockboys at the supermarket.

And should be rewarded accordingly.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#111 - 2012-11-08 20:34:31 UTC
KrakizBad wrote:
Johnny Spacer wrote:
Pvp'ers need people to do the crap work. Mining, industry, etc. They are like waterboys, or fluffers, or stockboys at the supermarket.

And should be rewarded accordingly.

They are, so long as you keep buying their stuff and blowing it up.
KrakizBad
Section 8.
#112 - 2012-11-08 20:35:23 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
KrakizBad wrote:
Johnny Spacer wrote:
Pvp'ers need people to do the crap work. Mining, industry, etc. They are like waterboys, or fluffers, or stockboys at the supermarket.

And should be rewarded accordingly.

They are, so long as you keep buying their stuff and blowing it up.

No that's overmuch. Perhaps a 90% nerf to their income would be fair.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#113 - 2012-11-08 20:37:45 UTC
KrakizBad wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
KrakizBad wrote:
Johnny Spacer wrote:
Pvp'ers need people to do the crap work. Mining, industry, etc. They are like waterboys, or fluffers, or stockboys at the supermarket.

And should be rewarded accordingly.

They are, so long as you keep buying their stuff and blowing it up.

No that's overmuch. Perhaps a 90% nerf to their income would be fair.

That's easy to achieve. Get your own water or stop drinking. They get paid what you enable them to be paid.
KrakizBad
Section 8.
#114 - 2012-11-08 20:40:55 UTC
Indeed, tell me how to turn of the L4 faucet. I'm all ears.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#115 - 2012-11-08 20:44:42 UTC
KrakizBad wrote:
Indeed, tell me how to turn of the L4 faucet. I'm all ears.

Gank people. A lot of people. Specifically people doing missions. And at the same time make the "waterboys" he referred to even richer (industrialists/miners) as they happily resupply both you and the mission runners.
KrakizBad
Section 8.
#116 - 2012-11-08 20:47:49 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
KrakizBad wrote:
Indeed, tell me how to turn of the L4 faucet. I'm all ears.

Gank people. A lot of people. Specifically people doing missions. And at the same time make the "waterboys" he referred to even richer (industrialists/miners) as they happily resupply both you and the mission runners.

So, it's impossible then? Thanks for clearing that up.
KrakizBad
Section 8.
#117 - 2012-11-08 20:48:34 UTC
Almost as if unlimited, invulnerable faucets were a problem or something.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#118 - 2012-11-08 20:49:19 UTC
KrakizBad wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
KrakizBad wrote:
Indeed, tell me how to turn of the L4 faucet. I'm all ears.

Gank people. A lot of people. Specifically people doing missions. And at the same time make the "waterboys" he referred to even richer (industrialists/miners) as they happily resupply both you and the mission runners.

So, it's impossible then? Thanks for clearing that up.

Very possible, you just aren't willing to put forth the effort, gather the numbers or bear the cost.
KrakizBad
Section 8.
#119 - 2012-11-08 20:51:53 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
KrakizBad wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
KrakizBad wrote:
Indeed, tell me how to turn of the L4 faucet. I'm all ears.

Gank people. A lot of people. Specifically people doing missions. And at the same time make the "waterboys" he referred to even richer (industrialists/miners) as they happily resupply both you and the mission runners.

So, it's impossible then? Thanks for clearing that up.

Very possible, you just aren't willing to put forth the effort, gather the numbers or bear the cost.

I'm sorry you're bad at math.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#120 - 2012-11-08 20:52:50 UTC
KrakizBad wrote:
I'm sorry you're bad at math.

Demonstrate the impossibility.