EVE General Discussion

I make tons of isk doing hisec PI factory planets, and nullsec extraction planets aren't exactly a supersized wealth magnet either.

#'s 1 and 2 they've already been doing. They increased Noob corp taxes to drive players into Player owned corps. IIRC that was a NULL SEC QQ that us lousy pubbie scrubs didn't have to join a Player corp. They increased those export taxes on PI goods. That was on top of the extractor 'improvement' that I had to remove a couple extractors because I suddenly didn't have enough CPU with the 'improvement'. Those are just two that I'm familiar with. I'm sure other people could chime in with more examples. As someone who has run L4's for a few years now: that loot drop nerf that the miners QQ'd about ( reprocessed lutz ) was a hit. Whether you take it as less RNG chances for some what decent/usefull mods dropping or take it as less minerals out of the reprocessor: nerf is nerf in my book. As for the 'fail if that's why you would quit ->
This ^^ right here! it's not a matter of being nerfed or buffed. It's a matter of how much I'm getting out of a product for the money and the perceived effort I'm putting into it. Heaven forbid some of us might want to have some sort of FUN doing this.

If you're 'married' to this game until death do you part that's fine Zim. I'm not! I've quit on and off since 2008. I may or may not be leaving on the 20th. Crappy customer service ( IMO anyway ) gets CCP this time ( RvB does give me good reasons to stay though. ). I guess I'm 'funny', but I evaluate what I'm getting for my money. If it doesn't meet those expectations I stop handing it over. It's called 'disposable income'. Gaming companies - that money they want. Eve isn't a job or a second profession to me. It's something I do to pass some time and maybe have some fun. I'm a casual player. And I can casually play or leave this game.

lol PI factory planets.

Um. The NPC corp tax isn't a "sales tax", and it's so easy to circumvent it's laughable. oh dear I have to make my very own personal corp, woe is me. The second and third has obviously not been enough, since nullsec people are still keeping more of their alts in hisec than they are in nullsec.


To 10%, yes. We're operating with 15%, and I'm still making 20%+ margins on factory planets in hisec. vOv


So if CCP thought like you did, we would have 1+ million HP BSes which dish out 100k of damage pr second, dreads which have 10+ million HP and dish out 500k/s damage, titans which have hundreds of millions of HP and dish out several million hp in damage pr second etc etc etc, because reducing a number means someone loses, and in this new age everyone must be a winner!


Sounds to me like it is a matter of being nerfed or buffed, no matter how much it might be needed. Now, if you want nullsec anoms to increase in payout to the point where people actually move their isk-making alts back into nullsec, then you'd better be prepared to have an isk sink added or increased to match. In fact, they'll have to increase it twice, once just to curb the already existing monetary inflation due to excess bounties, and then a second time to curb the increased monetary inflation due to the even higher isk faucet of the now buffed anoms.


You should give X3 a try.

It's almost like you can't read, since that wasn't what I said.

True it's not a sales tax, but it is an ISK sink ( however large or small ) which you were wanting.

I'm sorry ... who is it again who sets the tax rate in Null Sec? Last i read it was who holds sov. That high tax is a HS players fault how?


I already mentioned ridiculous ship balancing numbers and slot machine type rewards grind doesn't apply to fixing or nerfing any certain region. I guess I need to say yet again: making one region suck in an effort to fix another isn't fixing the problem. It's lazy and simply makes 2 regions or 2 play styles suck.

Try again and try harder...


Ok - fair enough. While it boils down to nerfing or buffing - I'm coming from the point of a 'little here' and a 'little there'. Sooner or later you look at the effect over the years and realize you've lost ground. As you continuously loose ground you start to question if something is worth it. Case in point: Warlocks in WoW during Cata. PITA for the amount of effort involved and also to play so players stopped playing 'em. Does that mean Eve players have a higher tolerance for self inflicted pain doing something? Perhaps. Perhaps not. 'Specially when I have to *pay* to do so...


I didn't find it all that engaging. Made it about 1/2 way around the map in X:BtF and said 'meh'.

Did I mention the fact the isk faucets in eve are massive compared to the isk sinks? Hint: The NPC corp taxes are pitiful in comparison. More are needed.


Did I say it was anyone's fault? I did not, and I'd prefer it if you stopped inferring incorrectly.

I support the PI tax, for one simple reason: it lets alliances in nullsec do things like run 15% tax on their planets, it'll still make sense to do the extraction there because nullsec can do more of it. And the reason this is important is, it lets nullsec alliances do bottom up funding, where they get more money the more people they have active in their space, just like they do for ratting, and this should be extended even further where they actually can do things like run refining taxes (hence the reduced refinery efficiency of compressed ore in hisec, to dissuade the transportation of compressed ore to hisec instead of refining it and shipping it to hisec or whereever), and if they could set their own sales tax and the like they would be encouraged to set up a proper market, etc etc etc.

Edit: Oh, and I fail to see what the great whinefest about that tax is all about. As I said, I make 20% ROI easily doing factory planets in hisec. vOv

Since you seem to think I'm advocating making "one region suck", just how drastic do you think these changes I'm talking about would have to be? Sounds to me like you think I'm advocating 50% reduction in refinery efficiency, 50% sales tax etc.


Odd, seems like I'm talking about a little here and a little there, yet you seem to want to inflate that into "YOU JUST WANT TO KILL HISEC!!!!!!!!".


That sounds kind of like hisec has become where literally all of nullsec's manufacturing is being done, and a vast, vast majority of the line members of nullsec go there to make isk on a day to day basis as well. It's almost as if CCP have made changes to nullsec and hisec and not making sure the changes are in proportion to eachother, and meanwhile they've removed NPC sales orders so there's even less isk flowing out of the game than ever before, etc etc etc etc. And now we're looking at plexes which are touching 600m+ regularly.

Yes, and this is a good thing, since it allows bottom up funding of an alliance based on how active its players are.

So since PI is working excellently with this disparaty between hisec and low/nullsec, what'd stop us from increasing the sales tax in hisec and letting the controlling alliances set salex taxes in their own stations in nullsec, to further expand the bottom up funding in nullsec and acts as a variable isk sink which CCP can vary to control/curb the monetary inflation problem?

In fact, it's a perfect example of the right step in the right direction, and it's a damn shame CCP hasn't continued on down this path before they decided to go back to sucking off hisec for the wrong reasons.


This is a good thing, there are more than enough supercaps as it is. They don't depend on any resource which is impossible to source in hisec, however, so


Pretty sure you'll see more than a little tech, neo and dyspro etc in lowsec as well.

So if you're supposedly so reasonable, what's with the whole "you just want to make hisec suck" rhetoric?

Nope, it's not.


I'm not looking to make hisec a terribly sucking place, no matter how many times you repeat this fallacy.