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Are Empire-dwellers' threats of attacking nullseccers ever followed through?
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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#1 - 2012-11-08 15:10:44 UTC
Periodically, there are some super brave residents of empire space who decide they've had enough of being comedic relief for bored 0.0 alliances, and they decide to start yelling about how they will smack down whoever has wronged them (usually Goonswarm). There's a lot of noise about it, but then it dies out as if nothing happened.

Why? Did they make good on these threats, but fail horribly? Was there simply not enough interest / not enough people willing to shoot stuff? Did they just have a cup of tea and calm down?

Something like this actually happening and being a "big thing" would be great. Why hasn't it happened yet?

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Inquisitor Kitchner
The Executives
#2 - 2012-11-08 15:14:04 UTC
No

"If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli
KrakizBad
Section 8.
#3 - 2012-11-08 15:17:15 UTC
'I'm going to take down Goonswarm' usually means 'I'm gonna whine at CCP to nerf Goonswarm' or 'I'm Prencleeve Grothsmore's 500th alt.'

The few who actually kamikaze null usually die to the bored EC crew.
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#4 - 2012-11-08 15:18:27 UTC
Well, it seems like main thing killing initiatives in hisec is basically "everybody for himself" way of thinking among residents. Let's see: is there any kind of activity that really requires team work in hisec? Even incursion fleets are made from different corps members. You create your 1man corp to avoid taxes and you are good to go your merry ways.

So if you don't need to organize for normal gameplay how can one expect any kind of union created for making raid on null territory and taking revenge for whatever was done to you. Yeah, it was done to you only, others are not affected. Until they will get ganked but then it won't be your problem. So why would you feel compelled to fight somebody else's war?

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#5 - 2012-11-08 15:27:21 UTC
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
Well, it seems like main thing killing initiatives in hisec is basically "everybody for himself" way of thinking among residents. Let's see: is there any kind of activity that really requires team work in hisec? Even incursion fleets are made from different corps members. You create your 1man corp to avoid taxes and you are good to go your merry ways.

So if you don't need to organize for normal gameplay how can one expect any kind of union created for making raid on null territory and taking revenge for whatever was done to you. Yeah, it was done to you only, others are not affected. Until they will get ganked but then it won't be your problem. So why would you feel compelled to fight somebody else's war?


A nice illustration of the utility of EVE as an extended social experiment

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Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#6 - 2012-11-08 15:32:18 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
A nice illustration of the utility of EVE as an extended social experiment


So... am I rite or am I rite? :)

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Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2012-11-08 15:57:41 UTC
Most Highsecers just join up with a Nullsec alliance and then QQ about boredom and Highsec being overpowered.

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Karrl Tian
Doomheim
#8 - 2012-11-08 16:02:26 UTC
Once upon a time I planned to unleash my indignant wrath on the 0.0 population---then I joined a 0.0 corp, lived there for a while, saw how bad they had it, and changed my mind. Now I send them a sympathy PLEX every month with my leftover ISK from Highsec PvEing.
Natasha Liao
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2012-11-08 16:03:42 UTC
I kinda remember some folks talking about forming/building up a corp for that a little while after Monoclegate. Guess it didn't fly. Otherwise people probably just make spy Alts and try to 'take down the man' that way. As most big corps/alliances have this unrealistic fear of spys - must be working. Lol

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Dar Manic
Dirt Road Services
#10 - 2012-11-08 16:12:49 UTC
Sentamon wrote:
Most Highsecers just join up with a Nullsec alliance and then QQ about boredom and Highsec being overpowered.


lol... got my popcorn ready for the flames coming!!

OP is just trolling.

1/10

I just don't understand null sec players.

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Ocih
Space Mermaids
#11 - 2012-11-08 16:17:27 UTC
Natasha Liao wrote:
I kinda remember some folks talking about forming/building up a corp for that a little while after Monoclegate. Guess it didn't fly. Otherwise people probably just make spy Alts and try to 'take down the man' that way. As most big corps/alliances have this unrealistic fear of spys - must be working. Lol


Very much so.

Joe in High Sec won't freight through Niarja because he heard big nasty gewns might blow him up but Alliance Joe in Null sec won't recruit new members because they heard one might disband them.

They both fear the unknown variable.
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-11-08 16:37:29 UTC
no

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Silk daShocka
Greasy Hair Club
#13 - 2012-11-08 16:39:14 UTC
Alright boys, mount your 200mm autocannons on your mackinaws, it's time to get even.
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#14 - 2012-11-08 16:46:36 UTC
By definition, no. They wouldn't be the carebear baddies they are if they fought.
TheBreadMuncher
Protus Correction Facility Inc.
#15 - 2012-11-08 16:54:12 UTC
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
So... am I rite or am I rite? :)


1) Right*
2) Nope.

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Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#16 - 2012-11-08 16:57:29 UTC
The most that ever happens is they hire someone to war-dec the nullsec corp, which means we have to switch to our neutral freighter/jump freighter alts. It's a minor inconvenience at best. Care-bears actually leaving concordspace and venturing out to null, SBU'ing systems and reffing POSes? Heheh. Hehehehehe. Hahahahahahahaha.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#17 - 2012-11-08 17:06:37 UTC
Dar Manic wrote:
OP is just trolling.

You wound me.

The reason I asked is I am genuinely wondering why nobody organized things. I mean, it's obvious that hiseccers won't "bring down" Goonswarm in a genuine way (lost sov, POSes, etc). However, cathartic "grab a ship, go shoot a nullseccer" roams/blobs should, I feel, have already happened.

Is it for lack of interest from anyone capable of leading such a thing? Lack of interest from the public? Fear of loss/PvP from the public? Ungenuine rage at nullseccers which gets substituted by "meh"?

Schmata brought up a good point about the "soloing" nature of hisec. Could this be it?

My motives behind asking all this is to find out whether "Hey, Rens! X up in local and get in a frigate to go blow up pirates" fleets have any potential of working, and whether they have more potential if done spontaneously or pre-announced.

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Dervinus
Boomer Humor
Snuffed Out
#18 - 2012-11-08 17:07:00 UTC
I think you all are forgetting the 99%

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Wivabel
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2012-11-08 17:14:18 UTC
The real question is how much of high sec is actually made up of individual players rather than null pilot alts.

Wivabel

I am not sure if I am going to log in anymore.......
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#20 - 2012-11-08 17:21:44 UTC
Bad goon alt troll.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
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