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Okay CCP, it's time. Acknowledge the legitimacy of The New Order, James 315, and bumping.

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Anuillae Fourneaux
Calydon Inc.
#401 - 2012-11-08 14:02:31 UTC
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:
Anuillae Fourneaux wrote:
It's not much better than no votes: your 70 shares equate to 0.0029% of the whole vote. Big-effin-congrats.

As for the 'amusing' blog and the playing with your fellow bumpers, I was under the impression that both were free, regardless of your investment in James' IPO.

I think you're somewhat missing the point. Paying for shares allows you participation in something that you believe in, as well as being a public declaration of support for the ideas of the New Order.

Please. And you laugh at us for believing in e-honour and glory? Death or glory, fight the good fight and all that s***.

Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Anuillae Fourneaux wrote:

It's not much better than no votes: your 70 shares equate to 0.0029% of the whole vote. Big-effin-congrats.

As for the 'amusing' blog and the playing with your fellow bumpers, I was under the impression that both were free, regardless of your investment in James' IPO.


You are correct the blog and the bumping are indeed free content, however the truth of James' words inspired me to get involved and commit financially to his cause.

*Nods* You mean you got scammed to the tune of 70 million ISK? I mean, paying for what you already have...

I have to give it to him, James is a master scammer. This could be even more impressive than his ponzi scheme.

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Speedkermit Damo
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#402 - 2012-11-08 14:18:59 UTC
Is AFK mining for hours on end any worse than sitting on a gate-camp for hours on end.

Protect me from knowing what I don't need to know. Protect me from even knowing that there are things to know that I don't know. Protect me from knowing that I decided not to know about the things that I decided not to know about. Amen.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#403 - 2012-11-08 14:18:59 UTC
How can it be a scam if I knew that I would receive zero financial return for my investment before I invested?

It's like donating to charity or giving money to a busker, people donate to charity knowing that they will help others, with a busker you get entertainment, with James you get to help others and entertainment.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Sal Landry
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#404 - 2012-11-08 14:54:43 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
How can it be a scam if I knew that I would receive zero financial return for my investment before I invested?

It's like donating to charity or giving money to a busker, people donate to charity knowing that they will help others, with a busker you get entertainment, with James you get to help others and entertainment.


It's a scam because he's tricked you into believing you're receiving something for your money, when you're not.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#405 - 2012-11-08 15:00:01 UTC
No he didn't I knew that I was getting nothing tangible for my money, ergo no scam.

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Nanatoa
#406 - 2012-11-08 15:03:20 UTC
I think it's useless arguing Jonah. These people don't see the benefit of paying 10M for a year of hassle-free mining, they certainly won't understand paying anything at all for something as intangible as the awesomesauce that is the New Order.

"Stay the course, we have done this many times before." - (CCP) Hilmar, June 2011
KrakizBad
Section 8.
#407 - 2012-11-08 15:03:21 UTC
Sal Landry wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
How can it be a scam if I knew that I would receive zero financial return for my investment before I invested?

It's like donating to charity or giving money to a busker, people donate to charity knowing that they will help others, with a busker you get entertainment, with James you get to help others and entertainment.


It's a scam because he's tricked you into believing you're receiving something for your money, when you're not.

I got (so far) 21 pages of tears for my ISK.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#408 - 2012-11-08 15:05:15 UTC
KrakizBad wrote:
Sal Landry wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
How can it be a scam if I knew that I would receive zero financial return for my investment before I invested?

It's like donating to charity or giving money to a busker, people donate to charity knowing that they will help others, with a busker you get entertainment, with James you get to help others and entertainment.


It's a scam because he's tricked you into believing you're receiving something for your money, when you're not.

I got (so far) 21 pages of tears for my ISK.

Don't sell it short, there were plenty of other great threads for that ISK, too.

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Coreola
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#409 - 2012-11-08 15:59:59 UTC
I guess the way I look at it is, who are these people to tell someone else they can't play the way they want? If they want to mine in high-sec all their lives, then go ahead. Their $15 is worth the same as yours, and there's no "correct" way to play Eve beyond following CCP's rules.

Some people don't have the aptitude for PvP. Some people don't like the stress of PvP. Some people simply prefer mining and doing industry work in high-sec because it's relaxing and stress-free. They don't have to worry about about how they'll stack up against other players.

On the same token, these bumpers are free to play Eve how they want to play. If that means flying around asteroid belts bumping miners off their roids, then knock yourselves out. Big smile Is it my idea of fun? Not really. I prefer picking fights with people who are willing to and capable of fighting back.

Jump, jump, jump.
Kainotomiu Ronuken
koahisquad
#410 - 2012-11-08 16:25:21 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
KrakizBad wrote:
Sal Landry wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
How can it be a scam if I knew that I would receive zero financial return for my investment before I invested?

It's like donating to charity or giving money to a busker, people donate to charity knowing that they will help others, with a busker you get entertainment, with James you get to help others and entertainment.


It's a scam because he's tricked you into believing you're receiving something for your money, when you're not.

I got (so far) 21 pages of tears for my ISK.

Don't sell it short, there were plenty of other great threads for that ISK, too.

I dunno, I think we could do with a few more.
Anuillae Fourneaux
Calydon Inc.
#411 - 2012-11-08 16:32:49 UTC
Nanatoa wrote:
I think it's useless arguing Jonah. These people don't see the benefit of paying 10M for a year of hassle-free mining, they certainly won't understand paying anything at all for something as intangible as the awesomesauce that is the New Order.

You're quite right. It is useless arguing against the superior logic of the Proveldtariat.

I mean, you can regurgitate the (flawed) arguments that James provides you with on his blog and in his manifestos, but when it comes to producing original ideas and arguments in response to the arguments of miners, you people really are like children lost at sea.

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TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#412 - 2012-11-08 16:42:42 UTC
So whats the deal here, are the bot-aspirant miners simply too dumb to recognise how good the New Order is for highsec - and for them, too - or are they seriously trying to forum-post the Order into submission
Natasha Liao
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#413 - 2012-11-08 17:28:21 UTC
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
- or are they seriously trying to forum-post the Order into submission
*snicker* Like they have a snow balls chance in hell on that one.

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Zak Fey
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#414 - 2012-11-08 17:40:42 UTC
Natasha Liao wrote:
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
- or are they seriously trying to forum-post the Order into submission
*snicker* Like they have a snow balls chance in hell on that one.

Especially against the well trained forum warriors from goonswarm.
Casanunda
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#415 - 2012-11-08 17:41:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Casanunda
They're too busy not playing the game to be an effective force with any hope of beating the New Order into submission.

When I logged on this morning, I announced my presence as a member of the New Order in local, who was there to check permits, I got no replies from the 6-8 ice miners in system, 2 of them got bumped way way out of mining laser range with no response, before the server hamsters fell over and died laughing resulting in the server crash this morning.

The proveldtariat will fail as long as miners are not prepared to actually pay attention and be at their keyboards, after all if they're AFK how can they retaliate?

The fact that I am not a gazillionaire Gallente aristocrat with the sexual capacity of a rutting rhino is a constant niggle.
Anya Solette
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#416 - 2012-11-08 17:44:26 UTC
if only miners wouldnt afk while mining, there wouldnt be threads of rage on GD. P

:munch:
Nathalie LaPorte
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#417 - 2012-11-08 17:44:36 UTC
Anuillae Fourneaux wrote:
Nanatoa wrote:
I think it's useless arguing Jonah. These people don't see the benefit of paying 10M for a year of hassle-free mining, they certainly won't understand paying anything at all for something as intangible as the awesomesauce that is the New Order.

You're quite right. It is useless arguing against the superior logic of the Proveldtariat.

I mean, you can regurgitate the (flawed) arguments that James provides you with on his blog and in his manifestos, but when it comes to producing original ideas and arguments in response to the arguments of miners, you people really are like children lost at sea.



The only argument or action I ever see the proveldtariat take is bumping non-afk non-bot miners who refuse to join the proveldtariat. It's difficult to come up with original ideas and arguments against that, because it's such a simple and obviously wrong thing for you guys to do. When a group bases its existence on 'anti-bumping' but takes no meaningful actions that aren't bumping, then yes, it's difficult to come up with original ideas and arguments against that group--but they aren't needed, as the tired old "you guys are exactly what you claim to be fighting against" argument is sufficient. Why not just rename your group from proveldtariat to probotariat?
Anuillae Fourneaux
Calydon Inc.
#418 - 2012-11-08 18:03:15 UTC
Nathalie LaPorte wrote:
The only argument or action I ever see the proveldtariat take is bumping non-afk non-bot miners who refuse to join the proveldtariat. It's difficult to come up with original ideas and arguments against that, because it's such a simple and obviously wrong thing for you guys to do. When a group bases its existence on 'anti-bumping' but takes no meaningful actions that aren't bumping, then yes, it's difficult to come up with original ideas and arguments against that group--but they aren't needed, as the tired old "you guys are exactly what you claim to be fighting against" argument is sufficient. Why not just rename your group from proveldtariat to probotariat?

Sorry, but since when do we bump miners?

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Nathalie LaPorte
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#419 - 2012-11-08 18:10:58 UTC
Anuillae Fourneaux wrote:
Nathalie LaPorte wrote:
The only argument or action I ever see the proveldtariat take is bumping non-afk non-bot miners who refuse to join the proveldtariat. It's difficult to come up with original ideas and arguments against that, because it's such a simple and obviously wrong thing for you guys to do. When a group bases its existence on 'anti-bumping' but takes no meaningful actions that aren't bumping, then yes, it's difficult to come up with original ideas and arguments against that group--but they aren't needed, as the tired old "you guys are exactly what you claim to be fighting against" argument is sufficient. Why not just rename your group from proveldtariat to probotariat?

Sorry, but since when do we bump miners?


Nov. 2nd, 16:47.21 server time, more or less.
Anuillae Fourneaux
Calydon Inc.
#420 - 2012-11-08 18:13:22 UTC
Nathalie LaPorte wrote:
Nov. 2nd, 16:47.21 server time, more or less.
Who was it bumping? What did they say? I assume you've got the logs on hand, judging by the accuracy of the time.

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