EVE General Discussion

Not that many changes need doing to be fair, income in high sec needs to be reduced a little, make some rocks as well as concentrated / dense type moons only spawn in low / null sec. Increase the amount of high end minerals required in BP's. Also making some of the lower end moons a bit more useful so the top ones don't dominate would help.

You could tweak just a few small things without completely screwing everything up.

Yes a few people might get annoyed and stop playing but that is going to happen no matter what you do.

Its better to fix a problem straight away then choke yourself over time which is what has happened and is why the situation is how it is at the moment.

Someone needs to grow a pair and sort it out.

"The only place that attracts loads of subscriptions"? You mean nullsec? Because surely people don't flock to EVE to mine or shoot red crosses. I mean, if they wanted a singleplayer game where they just increase a number in their wallet, they could just play X3, get a better gaming experience and pay less while doing so.


Ah yes, the vaunted 70% of characters which live in hisec. The same 70% which consists of 75% chars making money for nullsec people.

I think buffing the industry in nullsec a lot (and balancing the industry in highsec, the pittance costs + huge number of lines is ridiculous at the moment) would do wonders imo.

Right now, the reason people go to nullsec is solely for pew. Whether they're in small roaming gangs or big alliances, their goal is to kill something. That's fine, but wouldn't it be great if nullsec offered other types of players something too? Gave them a few more options (with a few different pros and cons to weigh) for their playstyle?

As for the idiots who'll scream that any rebalancing of highsec will kill the game, I'm just ignoring them. They're stupid and their statements are wrong. That's just a fact. The same people said fixing vanguards in highsec would kill EVE. It didn't. It's not as if these suggestions take away options or undermine highsec activities, it's just minor tweaking. No one - except truly stupid - would quit because the rate at which the number in their wallet increases fluctuates by some small percentage

+1 this.

I dunno, I'd love to hear the real reason why some people are utterly set on going "oh god if you make any changes which'll negatively impact hisec we'll all quit".

It's very easy. CCP has a monetary inflation problem, and every time CCP has buffed f.ex nullsec ratting through the anoms, they've followed that up with a fairly heavy-handed nerf within a few months of release. I don't have the exact numbers of how exactly how much isk is put into the economy pr day through bounties etc, but it vastly outstrip the isk sinks.

I guess I should've added that if CCP does buff nullsec ratting to actually be worth doing over hisec, then there's going to have to be a fairly hefty increase in isk sinks somewhere as well, both to cover up the existing monetary inflation problem and cover the increased monetary inflation which an even further increased isk faucet would induce. I don't think hisec is going to like that one either.


They don't have to, but hisec ISK is so easy to get, so plentiful, so little effort and so little risk that it makes absolutely no sense to go to nullsec to do it.


Actually, with how lucrative it is, I find it a relaxing way of making isk. Especially since I don't have to pay any attention to the game itself whatsoever while doing so.


Yes, we know. But by moving the people making in hisec into low or null, that means there's more population there, there'll be more activity, and low/nullsec won't be such a wasteland it is outside of fleet fights, which means there's more point in running roaming gangs, which means there'd be less reason to go to hisec to grief risk averse pubbies who pee their pants every time someone yellowboxes them.


So what you want is an ever-increasing moneysupply, because nerfing is the lazy way of fixing? Dreads should have tens of millions of EHP, battleships should have millions of EHP, battlecruisers should have 100k DPS etc etc etc, because heaven forbid we decrease a number somewhere. Numbers should always go upwards, because that makes everyone a winner!

I for one haven't made that claim. I'll attempt to adapt. If Eve isn't fun, I would leave. (strange I guess that I would want to have fun playing a computer game...)

I'm in the LITFA group. Leave It The F*ck Alone. Why screw up others because they don't play the way you do... Not complaining about what Eve is right now but rather complaining about certain groups of people hell bent on destroying the game AS IT IS RIGHT NOW. LITFA.

You seem to know a lot about somebody else's minds, are you a zerg overlord?

Nope, there's frackloads of people who can't care the less about shooting red brackets and play EvE for the industry and markets or exploration. I myself came to EvE only to PvP (I always played PvP games) but life changed and now my playtimes are erratic, could never return playing in an active 0.0 corp.
So I trade, do tons and tons of meta game, manufacture, explore and everything else.
The other players?

I and many others don't need to kill everything that moves to feel in a community. Don't project on others what you believe is the one way to see things. I have loads of fun setting up trades, loans, organizing logistic routes and similar and the other players are either allies or obstacles... and both are live and breathing, not some X3 NPCs.




So, they spit on their own platter, go in hi sec like lemmings with not a single ounce of pride about the territory they conquered and farm like muppets.

And then come cry on the forums. You certainly picture some grand vista about null sec players.

Done any HS PI lately?

It wasn't nerfed. They took a chainsaw to that one. It's all being done in Null.

So they could play X3 and have a better game experience, without ganks, but they choose to play a game where ganks are valid and legal, and ***** and whine about every gank. vOv


And I would love nothing more than to have an actual community out in nullsec, but its industrial capacity means there's no point in trying to manufacture, which means there's no point in trying to mine, especially not when you can make more while mining scordite in hisec while not paying any attention to the game in any way, shape or form for huge periods of time. And there's no point in ratting in nullsec, since L4s pay out almost as much, for much much less effort and risk.

So I build in hisec and ship to nullsec instead. vOv


It's almost as if you're pretending large portions of my posts don't exist. I've told you, multiple times, why this is.