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TEST + Goonswarm trapped by Dec Shield!

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The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal
#1 - 2012-11-08 14:04:16 UTC
These are lies. Whoever spreads such libel should be shot.

TEST joined Dec Shield with a corp to siphon off all 180 wars, they then selectively unmutualled all but the ones they wanted. That transfer corp with the 9 mutual wars they wanted then joined their alliance. This was completely intentional by them, and those wars are defensive in nature. Thus they are not trapped, nor can they be trapped by this.

Goonswarm wardecced "Manifest Destiny" alliance, who Dec Shield already has trapped. Manifest Destiny is in 30+ wars, including against dead corporations. Any transfer corps that attempt to leave Manifest Destiny will be trapped in inescapable outgoing wars, and thus be unable to spread Goonswarm's wars to other entities. Dec Shield couldn't even trap Goonswarm if we wanted to.

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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#2 - 2012-11-08 14:07:24 UTC
The Zerg Overmind wrote:
These are lies. Whoever spreads such libel should be shot.

TEST joined Dec Shield with a corp to siphon off all 180 wars, they then selectively unmutualled all but the ones they wanted. That transfer corp with the 9 mutual wars they wanted then joined their alliance. This was completely intentional by them, and those wars are defensive in nature. Thus they are not trapped, nor can they be trapped by this.

Goonswarm wardecced "Manifest Destiny" alliance, who Dec Shield already has trapped. Manifest Destiny is in 30+ wars, including against dead corporations. Any transfer corps that attempt to leave Manifest Destiny will be trapped in inescapable outgoing wars, and thus be unable to spread Goonswarm's wars to other entities. Dec Shield couldn't even trap Goonswarm if we wanted to.

To express rage/concern go here:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=156437

To support the solution to these messed up mechanics go here:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=157449

Title says Goons are trapped, last sentence says you couldn't trap them?

/c

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#3 - 2012-11-08 14:10:49 UTC
Chribba wrote:
The Zerg Overmind wrote:
These are lies. Whoever spreads such libel should be shot.

TEST joined Dec Shield with a corp to siphon off all 180 wars, they then selectively unmutualled all but the ones they wanted. That transfer corp with the 9 mutual wars they wanted then joined their alliance. This was completely intentional by them, and those wars are defensive in nature. Thus they are not trapped, nor can they be trapped by this.

Goonswarm wardecced "Manifest Destiny" alliance, who Dec Shield already has trapped. Manifest Destiny is in 30+ wars, including against dead corporations. Any transfer corps that attempt to leave Manifest Destiny will be trapped in inescapable outgoing wars, and thus be unable to spread Goonswarm's wars to other entities. Dec Shield couldn't even trap Goonswarm if we wanted to.

To express rage/concern go here:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=156437

To support the solution to these messed up mechanics go here:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=157449

Title says Goons are trapped, last sentence says you couldn't trap them?

/c


First sentence ;)

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OmniBeton
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-11-08 14:10:50 UTC
Chribba wrote:
The Zerg Overmind wrote:
These are lies. Whoever spreads such libel should be shot.

TEST joined Dec Shield with a corp to siphon off all 180 wars, they then selectively unmutualled all but the ones they wanted. That transfer corp with the 9 mutual wars they wanted then joined their alliance. This was completely intentional by them, and those wars are defensive in nature. Thus they are not trapped, nor can they be trapped by this.

Goonswarm wardecced "Manifest Destiny" alliance, who Dec Shield already has trapped. Manifest Destiny is in 30+ wars, including against dead corporations. Any transfer corps that attempt to leave Manifest Destiny will be trapped in inescapable outgoing wars, and thus be unable to spread Goonswarm's wars to other entities. Dec Shield couldn't even trap Goonswarm if we wanted to.

To express rage/concern go here:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=156437

To support the solution to these messed up mechanics go here:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=157449

Title says Goons are trapped, last sentence says you couldn't trap them?

/c


It's a trap !
Rordan D'Kherr
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2012-11-08 14:11:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Rordan D'Kherr
Another promotion thread for that alliance....

Btw: CAOD Arrow

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Lucy Ferrr
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-11-08 14:12:27 UTC
So I am confused, are Goons/TEST trapped or not? I really hope they are, it would be great news for us all. If Goons are trapped in Dec Shield, expect a quick-fix patch fixing the broken war dec mechanics by down time tomorrow. Remember how speedy the 'fix' for Inferno war-dec dog piling came?
ITTigerClawIK
Galactic Rangers
#7 - 2012-11-08 14:13:07 UTC
title very misleading. :(
Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#8 - 2012-11-08 14:13:45 UTC
I feel trapped now, with a side of trolled.

/c

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NickyYo
modro
Northern Coalition.
#9 - 2012-11-08 14:13:47 UTC  |  Edited by: NickyYo
How do i join dec shield? My corp in interested.
We can offer leadership skills in 5 everything except fleet command in the EU timezone.

Send me an eve mail if interested.

..
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#10 - 2012-11-08 14:48:22 UTC
Quote:
they then selectively unmutualled all but the ones they wanted.


I'm a bit confused about this part specifically.

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CCP Soundwave
C C P
C C P Alliance
#11 - 2012-11-08 14:50:05 UTC
Free from the shackles of dec shielding
Inquisitor Kitchner
The Executives
#12 - 2012-11-08 14:51:23 UTC
CCP Soundwave wrote:
Free from the shackles of dec shielding



Dec shield CCP Alliance

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Mirima Thurander
#13 - 2012-11-08 14:53:27 UTC
CCP Soundwave wrote:
Free from the shackles of dec shielding

U there go do something usefull like fix eve.

All automated intel should be removed from the game including Instant local/jumps/kills/cynos for all systems/regions.Eve should report nothing like this to the client/3rd party software.Intel should not be force fed to players. Player skill and iniative should be the sources of intel.
Nex apparatu5
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#14 - 2012-11-08 14:55:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Nex apparatu5
TLDR for people: test is not trapped, they picked up defensive wars which they can leave at any time.

Goons are "trapped" against one alliance, however it cant spread
Shederov Blood
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
#15 - 2012-11-08 14:58:11 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Quote:
they then selectively unmutualled all but the ones they wanted.


I'm a bit confused about this part specifically.
If your corp joins and leaves Dec Shield, you'll get something like 180 mutual wars as a defender.
As long as you leave them mutual, the aggressor can never end the war.
TEST just picked the ones they wanted, and turned off the mutual switch on the rest.

Who put the goat in there?
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#16 - 2012-11-08 15:39:00 UTC
Shederov Blood wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Quote:
they then selectively unmutualled all but the ones they wanted.


I'm a bit confused about this part specifically.
If your corp joins and leaves Dec Shield, you'll get something like 180 mutual wars as a defender.
As long as you leave them mutual, the aggressor can never end the war.
TEST just picked the ones they wanted, and turned off the mutual switch on the rest.

So in effect, the only way to beat them is to join them. Smile

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Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#17 - 2012-11-08 16:02:17 UTC
No More Heroes
Boomer Humor
Snuffed Out
#18 - 2012-11-08 16:07:40 UTC
I tried to muster up some rage or concern but I really can't be bothered one bit about war decs.

.
TheBreadMuncher
Protus Correction Facility Inc.
#19 - 2012-11-08 16:58:07 UTC
CCP Soundwave wrote:
Free from the shackles of dec shielding


1) Aren't devs meant to be impartial?
2) Aren't devs meant to be working on things like this?

"We will create the introduction thread if that is requested by the community. Also, we will have an ISD Seminar about the CCL team in the coming weeks in which you can ask your questions about the CCL team and provide some constructive feedback to us." - Countless pages of locked threads and numerous permabanned accounts later, change is coming.
Casirio
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2012-11-08 16:59:10 UTC
TheBreadMuncher wrote:
CCP Soundwave wrote:
Free from the shackles of dec shielding


1) Aren't devs meant to be impartial?
2) Aren't devs meant to be working on things like this?


pretty sure he's trolling
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