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Luft Reich
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#1 - 2012-11-08 03:06:38 UTC
Hello all, I am looking to get into wormholes and would like to know the best course of action for what I am looking for. I have been living the low sec solo for a while now so I know how to get around safely. I have a budget of about 1.1billion ISK and would setup a POS once inside the WH. I would be flying solo with combat skills in mostly Amarr and Caldari. NO I can not fly a TenguEvil, but what type of WH would you suggest for flying solo. I would also most likely be running 3 PI characters inside the WH with moderate skills.

Basically what setup would you suggest for a solo pilot, and what type of income should I expect from running a moderate amount of sites a day?
Thank you for your time.

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Wolvun
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-11-08 03:22:51 UTC
Join a WH corp.
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#3 - 2012-11-08 03:28:02 UTC
A lot of what you know about flying relatively safely in low sec will go out the window once you enter wormhole space.

I highly reccomend that you have alts with atleast bare minimum scanning skills in there as without a few corp mates theres a good chance 1 or more characters end up getting podded out to k-space at some point potentially losing any known connections to your wormhole system if you don't have a backup scanner or 2.

The drake is currently the bread and butter ship for solo pilots in wormhole space as the cost of it is quickly covered and it can handle all the solo doable sites fairly well tho its expected to get some tweaks or even debuffs at some point that might make it less useful.

TBH the income you can make will vary hugely in the spawn rate at any given time of the system you are in, how much effort you put into making ISK i.e. crashing the wormhole system static to find other viable wormholes to run sites in and so on.

As a solo pilot I would reccomend before putting up a POS, etc. that you do a bit of day tripping - either take a stealth bomber or similiar and familiarise yourself with wormhole space a bit or take a cloaky scout and a drake and run a few sites in a quiet wh (not quite sure what level of awareness of wormholes you have).
Vjorn Angannon
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#4 - 2012-11-08 03:47:56 UTC
Rroff wrote some very solid stuff. In addition to that, if you haven't done so already, I highly recommend you read the 2 guides stickied at the top of this forum. There are some mechanics found in w-space systems that aren't found in lowsec.

If you are determined to stay solo for a while, I second the motion that you start out with daytripping, or just poking about in a cov-op/SB.

The one assumption that you should always make tho, when jumping thru a wormhole into the unknown......is that you ARE being watched.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-11-08 04:56:09 UTC
Wolvun wrote:
Join a WH corp.


^^

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Casirio
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-11-08 05:35:04 UTC
solo wormhole life would be sooo boring.. wh corp or friends
Pancake King
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-11-08 07:50:56 UTC
Wolvun wrote:
Join a WH corp.


This is the best advice.

If you choose to ignore that, just by a pos and plunk it down in a C2 and see how you go. Just make sure you can scan and you'll figure the rest out.
Judo Chopped
GET TO DA CHOPPER
#8 - 2012-11-08 08:19:48 UTC
Assuming you don't take the advice given above, re: join a corp;

And knowing you don't fly a tengu, you would probably be looking at C1's or C2's.
Having said that, C3's would probably be safer, especially if it had a low-sec static - but the sites would take you a bit longer - tenguless.
It's not terribly difficult to get yourself set-up with a POS, defenses and a couple of weeks worth of fuel as a starter.

It is quite skill intensive though; You'll need all your characters to be able to scan down an exit, you'll also need to be able to salvage the sleeper battleships. Then you'll want to be able to collect the gases, crack the mag and rad loot.

If you have all of these skills, then you're good to go. Best O' luck
Archdaimon
Merchants of the Golden Goose
#9 - 2012-11-08 08:35:03 UTC
Wolvun wrote:
Join a WH corp.


The only truth really.

Wormholes have the best accoustics. It's known. - Sing it for me -

Matt Ellis
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-11-08 09:13:47 UTC
Rroff wrote:
A lot of what you know about flying relatively safely in low sec will go out the window once you enter wormhole space.

I highly recommend that you have alts with at least bare minimum scanning skills in there as without a few corp mates theres a good chance 1 or more characters end up getting podded out to k-space at some point potentially losing any known connections to your wormhole system if you don't have a backup scanner or 2.


This brings me to a funny story. We got 'dared' once by the owner of a wormhole to crash their static. We were running sites, and they showed up sending haulers to highsec. We them camped awaiting their return. one of their guys said, "Why don't you just close the wormhole?" So we did. Lets just say that corp had issues finding their way back in...:D

Always keep a scannng char in your HOME system at all times! it will save you alot of money. and it means it can scout pvp when that happens.
Tao Dolcino
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-11-08 11:11:17 UTC
I don't see why we can't respect his desire to experiment it alone.
If you want to try it alone please do it ! Follow your own vision ! Don't be so damn boring normal !
Then maybe you'll fail and join a corpo, but at least you'll know why, instead of blindly following others' opinions. At least you'll have tried !
And maybe you'll be successful.
Are you a pioneer or not ? Isn't WH all about challenging the mysteries of the deep universe ?
Heck ! A bit of adventure in this too "optimized" world ! Go on and write us an exciting blog !
Archdaimon
Merchants of the Golden Goose
#12 - 2012-11-08 12:27:00 UTC
Tao Dolcino wrote:
I don't see why we can't respect his desire to experiment it alone.
If you want to try it alone please do it ! Follow your own vision ! Don't be so damn boring normal !


Then he shouldn't have written here. He should just have done it.

Wormholes have the best accoustics. It's known. - Sing it for me -

Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#13 - 2012-11-08 15:09:01 UTC
Tao Dolcino wrote:
I don't see why we can't respect his desire to experiment it alone.
If you want to try it alone please do it ! Follow your own vision ! Don't be so damn boring normal !
Then maybe you'll fail and join a corpo, but at least you'll know why, instead of blindly following others' opinions. At least you'll have tried !
And maybe you'll be successful.
Are you a pioneer or not ? Isn't WH all about challenging the mysteries of the deep universe ?
Heck ! A bit of adventure in this too "optimized" world ! Go on and write us an exciting blog !


Part of the fun of w-space is experimenting and challenging the unknown but I'd rather people were a little more sucessful at the early stages and became proper residents of wormhole space than put off from the start when something like this happens (based on a true event tho some of this is assumed and I can't remember all the exact details):

2 man corp with 1 drake pilot, 1 drake/hauler pilot and a covert ops alt with no/little previous experience of wormholes finds an empty C2 with a static highsec and C3 and decides to move in.

Unfortunatly for them a C5 corp looking for an exit to k-space to haul stuff out scans into them via the C3 and finds their hauler and drake sitting unprotected in space beside the onlining control tower and does nasty things to them podding them out to k-space. Their covert ops pilot for whatever reason decides to warp to the highsec and jump out. The C5 corp sets up a camp on the highsec wormhole so their haulers can safely go to and from highsec and despite the covert ops pilot trying to jump in several times hes always forced to jump back out.

Eventually the highsec wormhole is massed and collapses when the final orca jumps with all their characters in highsec - to the best of my knowledge they never found a way back to it. About a month later their control tower is finished off by a 3rd party.
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#14 - 2012-11-08 22:35:16 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
About 2 years ago I had the same idea. Go and explore W-space. Scanned for days till I found a C1, flew a medium tower in, several weeks off fuel and some defensive modules. A while later I convinced several corp members to join.
The tower is still there and in use as part-time base of corp operations (Although heavily upgraded tower and module wise).
So yes, it can be done and it can be rewarding.

Some things to considerer though:

  • Read the guides about wormholes to learn. They are really good! (stickied at the top of the wormhole forum subsection)
  • As mentioned by several posters, join a Wormhole corp. It's safer, you learn the ropes quicker and can be at least as rewarding PvE/PvP wise. But if you realy want to go solo, just do it!
  • Flying solo, most of the time you will earn less Isk/hr than when you fly lvl4 missions. You have to take the logistics into account, which can be very time consuming. Getting loot out to known space to sell, getting fuel for the tower in, etc. And because it's more dangerous (no one to fall back on), you can also lose everything....

  • I was lucky the first few weeks that nobody contested my presence there...Big smile


I hope you are going to enjoy your stay in W-space, be it in a corp or solo. And as Tao Dolcino wrote: Go on and write us an exciting blog !
I would certainly read it.

Good luck!

ISD Ezwal Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)

Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#15 - 2012-11-08 22:52:26 UTC
Tao Dolcino wrote:
Are you a pioneer or not ? Isn't WH all about challenging the mysteries of the deep universe?


there are corps that have been in WHs since the very beginning, 3+ years now, and they are still learning and evolving new things and tactics about WHs.
If you really want to go solo go for it, but the mere fact that the op posted this thread means he's not interested in going in blind.

joining a corp is by far the best way to learn the WH ropes quickly.

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Luft Reich
No Vacancies
No Vacancies.
#16 - 2012-11-09 04:56:20 UTC
Thanks everybody for the great advice so far, have been trying to scout out some WHs today, taking notes along the way. Honored to have such experienced and well known WH people post on my thread, again thanks for the advice.

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Bamsey Amraa
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-11-09 05:49:31 UTC
GL
Dex DelaVenuto
Sky Templars
#18 - 2012-11-09 06:04:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Dex DelaVenuto
And Good Luck I owned a hole and soloed em big time Shocked got podded several times no veggies part of game. just do it! experiencing and divirginizing an eve hole are the sweetest moments in game.UghBear

its tedious and a boring job but if its your way of playing eve like mine, just repeat and rinse you win.

o7
Matt Ellis
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#19 - 2012-11-09 11:56:55 UTC
To weigh in one your final point mate, regarding cash income.

If you havent run a WH Sleeper site before, there are a few things you need to know. The lower the class of wormhole, the higher the dependance of the RANDOM drop of MELTED NANORIBBONS. In a c2 site, ive had as little as 5 million loot, up to 150 million. So the income is not something anyone can shoot your way.

We currently farm out a c3 - the sites are harder than c2, and can be hard to solo if you dont have the right ship- and we ran last night, and got between 25mil -> 120mil per site(TOTAL Loot)

Solo wise, you are going to be limited to c3 and below. MAYBE even c2 and below, Depending on ships and skills.

What im trying to say is, don't get all depressed when your first few sites get you sweet sod all.

Hope that helps!

See you in W-Space very soon!

Matt
Uzbeg Khan
Henehen Conflict Logistics
#20 - 2012-11-09 11:57:37 UTC
Out of curiosity; what's expected from a WH corp?

I can fly anything sub cap pretty much, and really nothing I can't train on a weeks notice (barring the gall cruisers, and I have recon and cap/shield-slave cruisers at IV only). I'm unable to use voice coms, and my play time is somewhat sporadic.

I suspect these limitations render me worthless for serious WH corps, so I'm looking at a solo pos or cloaky orca project :)

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