EVE General Discussion

Stupidity unchallenged is stupidity accepted. I don't accept stupidity. Thankfully EVE General Discussion exists, so I can not accept stupidity in almost every thread lol, because there is a lot of stupid stuff said for me to not accept...




Why are you so dense? Why can people like you not understand simple English? Do you care that I am right now shooting Blood Raiders? No?

Well, neither do I are almost anyone else care about what your doing. But if you log into the game and I or someone else in the same sandbox feel like screwing with you, well, yo consented to that when you 1. downloaded and installed EVE 2. logged in to EVE and 3. undocked.

Don't like it, fight back or leave. I don't choose to screw with people in high sec, or scam or gank freighters (not because of E-honor, but because I don't like doing that stuff), i'm simply saying that some people choose to, and if people playing rough in video game ABOUT PLAYING ROUGH (I can like you any number of DEVs telling you what EVE is), then you and only you are the problem here.

But then, it's easier to blame others for your problems, right?

By the op's name still existing we can tell you don't urban dictionary enough CCP

While a 20% nerf to mission income ( on top of all the other mission nerfs that have happened ) won't be crippling - it'll sure as hell make a boring, tedious ISK grind that much more so. All so I can send ISK to this 'Toon to make go *BOOM* and hopefully die gloriously. Yeah ... make an already unfun activity that much more unfun. Comparatively speaking grinding is grinding no matter what game you play. The basic activity of 'kill x for y amount of currency/rep/loot pinata' doesn't really matter whether I'm playing a Night Elf/Blood Elf or I'm a Rifter/Punisher. You still have to spend time grinding. So then it boils down to which game sucks less.

And ... it won't make null any more 'attractive' to me. Some of the Null folks I've run across over the years have shown me how 'attractive' it truly is. My efforts in game and out to get into a Null corp have been a major waste of time and effort. I doubt I'd bother again. Making it so I 'have' to go only gives me more reason to take my money elsewhere. Or just play some F2P game. It's not as irritating when you walk away from those in disgust.

I honestly can't comprehend the pages and pages of highsec bears claiming that highsec having infinitely better industry capabilities with infinitely less risk is somehow ok. It completely shatters the risk v reward thing. Industry in null is abysmal, absolutely no one does it because it's so broken. The capabilities in null should exceed that of highsec as a payoff to the chance of all your stuff blowing up and losing all your outposts, pos and systems.

CCP could just buff the hell out of null to where it exceeds current highsec industry capabilities, but that would be rather ridiculous - there needs to be a meet in the middle type approach - I'll not use that one word because I know highsec bears fly into a tearfest the second they see it, but along with buffing null industry the capabilities of highsec need to be reduced a little or have some extra costs.

There isnt anything wrong with bearing in high sec.

You should however just make 3x less than you do in null sec. Which isn't happening at the moment...

You should look at a bigger game design picture.

In PvP there are a minority of organized (i.e. in competitive PvP corps / big alliances) and just better players who win 5:1.

All the others consequently lose more than 1:1, let's say 1:2.

On the long run this means that a majority of worse / less organized players have to grind more and more just to see their efforts anyway wasted by the others.

The fact low sec and null sec easily allow complete ISK grind destruction put those worse / less organized players in large disadvantage and distress.

This makes them to get back to hi sec or ultimately quit the game.

Then the process repeats again: once the "old worse" are gone, the worse tier of the better players becomes the new "worse" and they start losing more than winning.
The process of the poor getting poorer repeats again and they end up unable to compete and ultimately return to hi sec / quit the game.
Then the process repeats again.


As of today, the "worse" and "former good but now worse" players will grind hi sec till they are ready to try again.

After you delicious idea is enforced, less and less of the consistent losers will be able to "try again" and the percentage of those just quitting will increase.

This leaves the "good players" sitting idle with little to do, expecially with the huge blue balling going on since a while. This bores them.
At first they "invent content" and go i.e. kill miners in hi sec.
But after a while this loses taste and they get just bored and some of them start quitting as well.

- Having seen this vicious process in multiple other PvP games and how it ends (game becomes a wasteland),

- having seen low sec follow a similar pattern (leave bad players the ability to farm quicker than they lose and they just leave low sec) and make low sec a wasteland,

your cure is about still wanting to do more of the same?


You are asking something not possible: a game where you can liberally destroy other worse player's means of income as a means to promote more PvP. It can't work.

You have to make possible to earn more ISK than you lose in nullsec in a *safe way* enough that the lost ISK < incoming ISK.
But this would make nullsec a place with safe zones.

Now, you have already your self protected safe zones but you cannot pretend everybody will toss their real life in the trash can and join organized corps, CTAs, politics and whatever ugly is out there.

Sure Goons are different, better blah blah blah no 2.40am CTAs no moronic leaders blah blah, too bad the other corps are not them.

Conquer the whole game then you can put what you say in practice.

Oh please, it isn't some grudge against the highsec baddies, it's a simple matter of balance. Highsec shouldn't, on top of being much safer, also be infinitely better than nullsec at things such as industry.

A point that people seem to miss - like f'elch - is that the fact he uses highsec to fund his 0.0 shenanigans is a good indication of it being broken. Why shouldn't he also be able to fund himself and make a living while in nullsec? Wasn't the point to allow big empires to grow and support themselves out in the lawless lands? That idea is thrown out the window when the industrial side of maintaining an empire is pretty much impossible in 0.0 and the people who do that side of it have to do it in highsec

In other words...

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Hisec and nullsec are fine, no changes can be made or the game dies.

In other words, in order to solve the evils of null sec, you have to solve the evils of null sec FIRST. Only then, clean up what's still imbalanced.

We can't increase nullsec ratting payouts, because then the inflation gets worse. We can't even talk about nerfing hisec ratting payouts, because then people like you whine about how this'll kill the game. We can increase the industrial capacity of nullsec, but unless we do something about hisec here as well, hisec'll still be the preferred place to either source the minerals or build the modules/ships/etc, but if we even talk about increasing manufacturing costs, increasing sales taxes, decreasing the number of manufacturing lines or just basically anything which has the words "nerf" or "reduce" in it alongside the word "hisec", people like you whine about how this'll kill the game.

So, uh, yeah.