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Retribution and the new Flagging system ( will it increase or decrease high sec PVP)
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Maddy Joringer
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-11-08 06:54:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Maddy Joringer
I was wondering will the expansion increase or decrease high sec PVP ?

Would pirates venture into high sec considering they will be flagged and could be attacked by everyone after that ? and not to mention concord intervention if killing anything..

Considering the Risk v/s Reward concept its high risky for a pirate to venture in high sec..what are the rewards if he does ... ?

This Question is for pirates alone....

Would you go pirate in high sec after 4th of December, considering the bounty system and the new flagging system... ?
Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#2 - 2012-11-08 07:07:39 UTC
Provided a Pirate ganks someone in Highsec now, it guarantees certain destruction of his ship. That isn't really any different than what we can expect to see with Crimewatch 2.0 All that really changes is the dynamics around PvP, and the actions that will result in flagging.

Give it a few months after, and I'm sure you'll see changes to the new system as well. People have already been voicing issues with it based on speculation, so you can pretty much expect more people to be doing the same once it is introduced.
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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-11-08 07:19:09 UTC
it's one of the stepping stones to CCP's vision of a risk-free themepark paradise in hisec

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Destru Kaneda
Arzad Police Department
#4 - 2012-11-08 07:23:28 UTC
Maddy Joringer
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2012-11-08 07:31:29 UTC
Andski wrote:
it's one of the stepping stones to CCP's vision of a risk-free themepark paradise in hisec


i can understand why your upset , High-sec was risk free for gankers anyway... no... don't reply with the concord bs..
Mr Pragmatic
#6 - 2012-11-08 07:36:30 UTC
Haha, can't stop the theme park, HAHA! deal with it.

Super cali hella yolo swaga dopeness.  -Yoloswaggins, in the fellowship of the bling.
Turelus
Utassi Security
#7 - 2012-11-08 07:42:53 UTC
I would say you will see a lot more ships in combat in HighSec.
With the changes to how killrights work (Just shooting someone in LowSec grants them) then almost everyone who does PVP in LowSec will have killrights on them. (even non pirate entities need to pirate sometimes) With the mechanic to have someone you have killrights on flag to everyone as well, that means lots of legally shootable people!

Now think of all the can flipping and looting that goes on now with the single flag, that's now an open flag to any one! You find that nice item that someone left in a wreck... better be ready to fight off all of EVE if you take it!

It's going to kill some professions, mostly greifers who use can flipping or tricking mission runners will be the ones to suffer (as doing these acts will let any one blow them up from now on) I'm sure most will adapt and find new ways to abuse the system though.

Turelus CEO Utassi Security
Shederov Blood
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
#8 - 2012-11-08 08:17:58 UTC
Turelus wrote:
With the changes to how killrights work (Just shooting someone in LowSec grants them) then almost everyone who does PVP in LowSec will have killrights on them.
Last I heard, you'll only get killrights in low-sec if you attack pods, not ships.

Who put the goat in there?
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#9 - 2012-11-08 08:43:23 UTC
Maddy Joringer wrote:
Andski wrote:
it's one of the stepping stones to CCP's vision of a risk-free themepark paradise in hisec


i can understand why your upset , High-sec was risk free for gankers anyway... no... don't reply with the concord bs..


Yes I can see how the victim and their corp having kill rights on you is totaly risk free...
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#10 - 2012-11-08 08:54:45 UTC
All the recent changes have just been big ol' steps to hellokittyonline if you ask me.

War dec system:

Want to attack a big juicy corp? Costs ridiculous amounts of isk compared to old system.

Then they bring in allies.

Then you get stuck in inescapable wars with decshield.

Mining barge changes:

Massive EHP so ganking is much more difficult and less profitable.

Huge ore holds so miners can AFK more and don't have cans to mess with.

Crime watch:

Pinch something from a can? Every single person in EVE can kill you.

etc

It's just a series of massive deterrents to actually doing any kind of pvp in highsec
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-11-08 09:22:52 UTC
If you think all ships in high sec are sporting PvP fits and not bear/travel fits; you are sadly mistaken. My prediction is a bit more action, but those who avoided combat before, will still avoid it after the expansion.
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#12 - 2012-11-08 09:26:50 UTC
Flip a can and wait for somebody stupid enough to bite. Since everybody will be eligible to bite you have more chances for stupid :) Rat your sec status high enough to avoid navy going after you and no problem with looking for a fight.

Being pirate is state of mind not just a matter of ganking barges, hisec residents should understand it before celebrating Crimewatch 2.0. Some people WANT to fight and suspect flag will make it easier for them.

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Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-11-08 09:28:01 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Maddy Joringer wrote:
Andski wrote:
it's one of the stepping stones to CCP's vision of a risk-free themepark paradise in hisec


i can understand why your upset , High-sec was risk free for gankers anyway... no... don't reply with the concord bs..


Yes I can see how the victim and their corp having kill rights on you is totaly risk free...

Oh yes. Can't wait to cash in that kill right on your T1 ship with T1 fittings. Not to mention the only times kill rights matter is in high sec and low sec. I'm not advocating risk free high sec, much less the game, but no one is buying that kill right bullshit.

Kill rights should never go away until enough damage has been done to match the damage the bad guy did to cause the kill right in the first place. An eye for eye I say!Twisted
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-11-08 09:46:37 UTC
Maddy Joringer wrote:
Andski wrote:
it's one of the stepping stones to CCP's vision of a risk-free themepark paradise in hisec


i can understand why your upset , High-sec was risk free for gankers anyway... no... don't reply with the concord bs..


what do you, the angry miner, define as 'risk'

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Shederov Blood
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
#15 - 2012-11-08 09:47:30 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
Kill rights should never go away until enough damage has been done to match the damage the bad guy did to cause the kill right in the first place. An eye for eye I say!Twisted
You can't hold me accountable for what they put in their ship, so that can only apply to the value of the hull, in which case all the t1 industrial pilots I've ganked would owe me money.

Who put the goat in there?
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-11-08 09:50:54 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
Kill rights should never go away until enough damage has been done to match the damage the bad guy did to cause the kill right in the first place. An eye for eye I say!Twisted


while it's a bad idea it's still better than the pants-on-head suggestions i've heard before

like one from some failed CSM candidate about forced restitution equal to the value of the kill (this is why he failed as a CSM candidate)

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2012-11-08 11:02:14 UTC
Considering how many cowardly idiots i see every day,
for them, risking a big mouth, will surely become a much less risk free endeavor ...
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2012-11-08 11:02:50 UTC
Andski wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
Kill rights should never go away until enough damage has been done to match the damage the bad guy did to cause the kill right in the first place. An eye for eye I say!Twisted


while it's a bad idea it's still better than the pants-on-head suggestions i've heard before

like one from some failed CSM candidate about forced restitution equal to the value of the kill (this is why he failed as a CSM candidate)

Really ? Does he even understand the game he plays ? o_O
Silk daShocka
Greasy Hair Club
#19 - 2012-11-08 11:42:48 UTC
TheGunslinger42 wrote:

Crime watch:

Pinch something from a can? Every single person in EVE can kill you.

etc

It's just a series of massive deterrents to actually doing any kind of pvp in highsec


Sounds like you don't actually want to PVP and just want to steal from cans.
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#20 - 2012-11-08 13:17:23 UTC
Maddy Joringer wrote:
I was wondering will the expansion increase or decrease high sec PVP ?

Would pirates venture into high sec considering they will be flagged and could be attacked by everyone after that ? and not to mention concord intervention if killing anything..

Considering the Risk v/s Reward concept its high risky for a pirate to venture in high sec..what are the rewards if he does ... ?

This Question is for pirates alone....

Would you go pirate in high sec after 4th of December, considering the bounty system and the new flagging system... ?



It will be a slaughterhouse beyond your imagination...
There will be more ganking again...hell, miners will put bounties on other miners just to have more to Mine for themselves...
Greed guaranties that...

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