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Okay CCP, it's time. Acknowledge the legitimacy of The New Order, James 315, and bumping.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#381 - 2012-11-08 04:36:26 UTC
Zak Fey wrote:
It is very dangerous too, bumpers are putting their ships on the line daily. Miners have organised so many operations in this bloody two sided war.

Hahaha who am I kidding? We all see how miners operate in today's blogs post.

Hmm, nice read. Heh. I should go to tolle and read local some time.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Jimmy Gunsmythe
Sebiestor Tribe
#382 - 2012-11-08 04:48:43 UTC
Galaxy Pig wrote:
My beloved Devs, allow me to clarify one thing right of the bat. I am NOT asking for CCP to acknowledge James 315's sovereign claim to highsec systems, or his titles of Father of the New Order, Supreme Protector of Halaima, or Savior of Highsec. I (unlike many carebears) am not asking for any special treatment whatsoever for James or his followers. 

I'm asking for a clarification of of CCP's position concerning The New Order's activities in Highsec, particularly bumping, not for my sake, but for the miners.

You see, despite countless rejected petitions, and the tireless efforts of our great GMs to explain to each disgruntled miner that what they've experienced is emergent gameplay that in no way violates the EULA, many miners are still laboring under the delusion that our permaban is just around the corner. Worse yet, the problem is exacerbated by the cookie-cutter replies some GMs issue to distraught carebears of "We're looking into it." More experienced players know that this is a complete "****-off" dismissa designed to shut you up for a whilel. They're not looking into it, they have IMPORTANT things to look into. None the less, it does a great disservice to the miners, sustaining their hope that James and us agents are one bump away from the ban-hammer. The sooner they realize that CCP is not coming to save them, the sooner they can accept our presence and move on, adapt, or who knows, maybe even embrace The New Order. So please bare in mind that I ask this not for myself or James, or The New Order, but for the poor miners who stagnate in their perpetual wait for Superman.

What we need is an authoritative, citable, linkable statement from a Dev, simply stating that Superman isn't coming. The New Halaima Code of Conduct, as well as the act of bumping to enforce it, are compliant with the Terms of Service.

"It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent that survives. It is the one that is most adaptable to change."
-Charles Darwin

The carebears must now adapt, and they're understandably upset, they're not used to being asked to do that. By issuing such a statement, CCP would make the transition that much easier for them. The truth will set them free.

In fact, I'd like to take it one step further than merely acknowledging the legality of The New Order.

Who among you Devs, GMs, and ISDs will dare come out of the closet as fans of The New Order? Supporters??Members?!?! :D

I eagerly await your responses, peppered with the rage of many a bear. 

Thank you so much for your time,
Immortally yours,

-Galaxy Pig
Agent 
New Order of Highsec


Emergent gameplay...pffft. My buddy was doing this long ago, and nearly got a ban for griefing by doing it.

John Hancock
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#383 - 2012-11-08 04:58:21 UTC
Jimmy Gunsmythe wrote:
Emergent gameplay...pffft. My buddy was doing this long ago, and nearly got a ban for griefing by doing it.

He apparently was bad at emergent gameplay then. Or didn't have a well thought out plan, manifesto and all, like the Protector of Highsec.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Zak Fey
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#384 - 2012-11-08 05:00:07 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Zak Fey wrote:
It is very dangerous too, bumpers are putting their ships on the line daily. Miners have organised so many operations in this bloody two sided war.

Hahaha who am I kidding? We all see how miners operate in today's blogs post.

Hmm, nice read. Heh. I should go to tolle and read local some time.

Make sure you bring your trusted rusty stabber too. ;)
Natasha Liao
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#385 - 2012-11-08 05:19:26 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
He apparently was bad at emergent gameplay then. Or didn't have a well thought out plan, manifesto and all, like the Protector of Highsec.

See Jimmy - Bumping simply to grief is bad. Wrap it in a well laid out web site, a few thoughtful forum posts, add a splash of miner tears and then you can call it emergent gameplay. Your buddy just needed a better PR person. Big smile

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#386 - 2012-11-08 06:38:23 UTC
Natasha Liao wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
He apparently was bad at emergent gameplay then. Or didn't have a well thought out plan, manifesto and all, like the Protector of Highsec.

See Jimmy - Bumping simply to grief is bad. Wrap it in a well laid out web site, a few thoughtful forum posts, add a splash of miner tears and then you can call it emergent gameplay. Your buddy just needed a better PR person. Big smile

Basically. See, it's part of a fairly comprehensive program to re-educate highsec miners on the perils of bot-aspirant behaviour, of which AFK mining is a subset.

There are also tears, yes. And isk, due to the Code's required mining permit fee (10mil per miner) - which is only part of the Code's requirements to participate in the greater highsec mining community, of course.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#387 - 2012-11-08 07:55:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Alavaria Fera wrote:

How many shares did your rock killing get you?


Currently 70 shares, I invested the income from just the tritanium & pyerite, that I sell locally because they're just not worth hauling to a hub given the the value per m^3 when refined. The other minerals, that are far more efficient in terms of isk/m^3 when you're paying someone else to haul, I hoard and ship via courier to the nearest hub when it's worth my while to do so.

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Anuillae Fourneaux
Calydon Inc.
#388 - 2012-11-08 08:59:48 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:

How many shares did your rock killing get you?


Currently 70 shares, I invested the income from just the tritanium & pyerite, that I sell locally because they're just not worth hauling to a hub given the the value per m^3 when refined. The other minerals, that are far more efficient in terms of isk/m^3 when you're paying someone else to haul, I hoard and ship via courier to the nearest hub when it's worth my while to do so.

And was the 70 million ISK you paid James worth the honour of being able to vote in one shareholder vote about the fate of one miner who was guilty of asking James questions?

Come to think of it, your 70 shares didn't even have the slightest effect, did they, considering that other people voting were about 20 times as influential as you.

Alavaria Fera wrote:
And isk, due to the Code's required mining permit fee (10mil per miner) - which is only part of the Code's requirements to participate in the greater highsec mining community, of course.

I hope you are aware that maybe 1 in 25 miners actually pays, meaning that in terms of ISK, the entire thing is a massive waste of time.

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Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
#389 - 2012-11-08 09:01:35 UTC
Anuillae Fourneaux wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:

How many shares did your rock killing get you?


Currently 70 shares, I invested the income from just the tritanium & pyerite, that I sell locally because they're just not worth hauling to a hub given the the value per m^3 when refined. The other minerals, that are far more efficient in terms of isk/m^3 when you're paying someone else to haul, I hoard and ship via courier to the nearest hub when it's worth my while to do so.

And was the 70 million ISK you paid James worth the honour of being able to vote in one shareholder vote about the fate of one miner who was guilty of asking James questions?

Come to think of it, your 70 shares didn't even have the slightest effect, did they, considering that other people voting were about 20 times as influential as you.

Alavaria Fera wrote:
And isk, due to the Code's required mining permit fee (10mil per miner) - which is only part of the Code's requirements to participate in the greater highsec mining community, of course.

I hope you are aware that maybe 1 in 25 miners actually pays, meaning that in terms of ISK, the entire thing is a massive waste of time.



My god ppl actually pay him ???????????????????? wtf ???????????? Shocked for shame


Tal


Anuillae Fourneaux
Calydon Inc.
#390 - 2012-11-08 09:06:04 UTC
Talon SilverHawk wrote:
My god ppl actually pay him ???????????????????? wtf ???????????? Shocked for shame


Tal



It has to be said that they are mostly the people who can't spell properly and are incapable of correctly using punctuation or producing a coherent sentence.

Sadly, every profession has 'special' cases, and mining does too. We've just got to prove that there are more of us willing to fight than to give in to their feeble extortion. It's going well so far.

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TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#391 - 2012-11-08 09:10:11 UTC
Anuillae Fourneaux wrote:
Talon SilverHawk wrote:
My god ppl actually pay him ???????????????????? wtf ???????????? Shocked for shame


Tal



It has to be said that they are mostly the people who can't spell properly and are incapable of correctly using punctuation or producing a coherent sentence.

Sadly, every profession has 'special' cases, and mining does too. We've just got to prove that there are more of us willing to fight than to give in to their feeble extortion. It's going well so far.


The ones who pay The New Order are upstanding individuals, they have proven they are real people and not dreck who aspire to be mindless bots. They contribute to EVE Online.
Anuillae Fourneaux
Calydon Inc.
#392 - 2012-11-08 09:18:56 UTC
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
The ones who pay The New Order are upstanding individuals, they have proven they are real people and not dreck who aspire to be mindless bots. They contribute to EVE Online.

Tell that to the -A- mining alt who started with incoherent ranting against the Order, then paid without any warning whatsoever (to a Dreddit character, no less) and then went straight back to AFK mining. Real upstanding 'code follower' there.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#393 - 2012-11-08 09:23:17 UTC
Anuillae Fourneaux wrote:
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
The ones who pay The New Order are upstanding individuals, they have proven they are real people and not dreck who aspire to be mindless bots. They contribute to EVE Online.

Tell that to the -A- mining alt who started with incoherent ranting against the Order, then paid without any warning whatsoever (to a Dreddit character, no less) and then went straight back to AFK mining. Real upstanding 'code follower' there.


-A- nuff said, didn't they have to cancel a CTA because of RMT bans recently?

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Anuillae Fourneaux
Calydon Inc.
#394 - 2012-11-08 09:27:26 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
-A- nuff said, didn't they have to cancel a CTA because of RMT bans recently?

They did indeed, and that's just the type that's likely to pay your 'Order'.

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Nanatoa
#395 - 2012-11-08 11:50:51 UTC
Anuillae Fourneaux wrote:
Come to think of it, your 70 shares didn't even have the slightest effect, did they, considering that other people voting were about 20 times as influential as you.


That's why everyone should invest at least a billion with the New Order!
(But less than 1.337 billion; I hate dropping lower in the shareholders list)

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#396 - 2012-11-08 13:50:20 UTC
Anuillae Fourneaux wrote:
Come to think of it, your 70 shares didn't even have the slightest effect, did they, considering that other people voting were about 20 times as influential as you.


70 votes is better than no votes, besides I get to read an amusing blog with daily updates, I regularly engage with players that I would never otherwise have met because I'm a filthy carebear and I consider it a sound investment in the future of the way I play the game, a future that involves actually playing the game and socially interacting with others.

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Anuillae Fourneaux
Calydon Inc.
#397 - 2012-11-08 13:53:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Anuillae Fourneaux
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
70 votes is better than no votes, besides I get to read an amusing blog with daily updates, I regularly engage with players that I would never otherwise have met because I'm a filthy carebear and I consider it a sound investment in the future of the way I play the game, a future that involves actually playing the game and socially interacting with others.

It's not much better than no votes: your 70 shares equate to 0.0029% of the whole vote. Big-effin-congrats.

As for the 'amusing' blog and the playing with your fellow bumpers, I was under the impression that both were free, regardless of your investment in James' IPO.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#398 - 2012-11-08 13:58:07 UTC
Anuillae Fourneaux wrote:

It's not much better than no votes: your 70 shares equate to 0.0029% of the whole vote. Big-effin-congrats.

As for the 'amusing' blog and the playing with your fellow bumpers, I was under the impression that both were free, regardless of your investment in James' IPO.


You are correct the blog and the bumping are indeed free content, however the truth of James' words inspired me to get involved and commit financially to his cause.

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Kainotomiu Ronuken
koahisquad
#399 - 2012-11-08 14:00:01 UTC
Anuillae Fourneaux wrote:
It's not much better than no votes: your 70 shares equate to 0.0029% of the whole vote. Big-effin-congrats.

As for the 'amusing' blog and the playing with your fellow bumpers, I was under the impression that both were free, regardless of your investment in James' IPO.

I think you're somewhat missing the point. Paying for shares allows you participation in something that you believe in, as well as being a public declaration of support for the ideas of the New Order.
Anslo
Scope Works
#400 - 2012-11-08 14:01:51 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Anuillae Fourneaux wrote:

It's not much better than no votes: your 70 shares equate to 0.0029% of the whole vote. Big-effin-congrats.

As for the 'amusing' blog and the playing with your fellow bumpers, I was under the impression that both were free, regardless of your investment in James' IPO.


You are correct the blog and the bumping are indeed free content, however the truth of James' words inspired me to get involved and commit financially to his cause.


Sounds more like Dianetics to me Sad
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